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    #46
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Who would’ve thought...turns out soccer is almost zero risk...
    http://surfcupsports.com/2020/08/14/...ty-whitepaper/
    So we are relying on a "study" conducted by an organization that stands to benefit financially from kids playing? I mean, there's nothing wrong with them commissioning a study but there's no details to make this seem authoritative

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      #47
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      So we are relying on a "study" conducted by an organization that stands to benefit financially from kids playing? I mean, there's nothing wrong with them commissioning a study but there's no details to make this seem authoritative
      It’s notoriously difficult to prove a negative. There is no evidence of outdoor transmission in youth sports anywhere. This study says hey, we’ve had 6700 players and coaches participate in 140,000 training sessions over the past month. Only fifteen of the participants (unclear whether coaches or players) had Covid, and they got it from something other than soccer.

      Although it would be nice to have a more detailed description of the methodology (frequency of testing, etc), the study provides a pretty a good argument for turning the dial a bit further for soccer and other outdoor sports, allowing full training and games (with masks for coaches and players when not in and social distancing on sideline). (I do think their math is off; they divide the two non-soccer cases by total training sessions to get to a .001 risk of transmission per session. If that was the relevant math I wouldn’t find it so comforting — with 20 sessions a month you’d get to a significant risk of kids getting sick pretty quick. The more relevant figures are that 0/6500 kids got Covid from soccer over a month of training, and the 15/6500 (.002%) who got Covid from outside soccer but didn’t transmit the disease to anyone else during soccer).

      But the key is consistent system checks, survey testing, and isolation and contact tracing for anyone who tests positive so that you can dial it back if it seems like any problem is starting to crop up.

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        #48
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        It’s notoriously difficult to prove a negative. There is no evidence of outdoor transmission in youth sports anywhere. This study says hey, we’ve had 6700 players and coaches participate in 140,000 training sessions over the past month. Only fifteen of the participants (unclear whether coaches or players) had Covid, and they got it from something other than soccer.

        Although it would be nice to have a more detailed description of the methodology (frequency of testing, etc), the study provides a pretty a good argument for turning the dial a bit further for soccer and other outdoor sports, allowing full training and games (with masks for coaches and players when not in and social distancing on sideline). (I do think their math is off; they divide the two non-soccer cases by total training sessions to get to a .001 risk of transmission per session. If that was the relevant math I wouldn’t find it so comforting — with 20 sessions a month you’d get to a significant risk of kids getting sick pretty quick. The more relevant figures are that 0/6500 kids got Covid from soccer over a month of training, and the 15/6500 (.002%) who got Covid from outside soccer but didn’t transmit the disease to anyone else during soccer).

        But the key is consistent system checks, survey testing, and isolation and contact tracing for anyone who tests positive so that you can dial it back if it seems like any problem is starting to crop up.
        "Look, Daddy. Teacher says, every time a bell rings an angel gets his wings."

        Right. Big political gain opening up an non-revenue sport like soccer for mostly rich, white kids while big revenue sport like college football is DOA this season. Definitely a rayycist plot.

        Truly magical thinking. You must be a wizard, Harry. Contact tracing and widespread testing while we can't get many people to keep social distancing or to wear masks. Try door number two next time, pal.

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          #49
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Goggles
          mask
          face shields
          Long sleeves
          Long pants
          Rubber bands on wrists and ankles
          24/7 geared up, even in your home
          Stay home

          This is not difficult people.
          Goggles + mask + shield = good.

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            #50
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            "Look, Daddy. Teacher says, every time a bell rings an angel gets his wings."

            Right. Big political gain opening up an non-revenue sport like soccer for mostly rich, white kids while big revenue sport like college football is DOA this season. Definitely a rayycist plot.

            Truly magical thinking. You must be a wizard, Harry. Contact tracing and widespread testing while we can't get many people to keep social distancing or to wear masks. Try door number two next time, pal.
            Local non-travel soccer is infinitely easier to manage safely than college football, as you surely recognize. Mask usage and social distancing are both solid in the Seattle area. The small, practical steps needed to allow kids to go to school and play sports without exposing themselves or other to significant risk are very clear and are being implemented in much of the world. Unfortunately, practical decision making here gets crowded out by the loud 20% or so who think the virus isn’t a problem at all and that we should just barrel towards herd immunity and the equally loud 20% or so who think everyone should be confined to their homes indefinitely.

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              #51
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Goggles
              mask
              face shields
              Long sleeves
              Long pants
              Rubber bands on wrists and ankles
              24/7 geared up, even in your home
              Stay home

              This is not difficult people.
              Wearthegoggles!

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                #52
                The mask and face shield is not enough. You can get goggles at the local swim supply shop. Be are to get the straps extra tight..

                I have been wearing goggles for a month now with the face shield and I find it keeps me extra alert when driving as a bonus. And I feel more safe. Warning: It is really important to treat your face shield so that it doesn't fog up on cold mornings which are coming up in Nov, Dec, Jan.

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                  #53
                  Ze goggles!!! Zey do nothing!!!

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Ze goggles!!! Zey do nothing!!!
                    Is that you, Bastien? Where is EPD, mon capitaine? What happened to it? Oh, it is finally dead.

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Goggles
                      mask
                      face shields
                      Long sleeves
                      Long pants
                      Rubber bands on wrists and ankles
                      24/7 geared up, even in your home
                      Stay home

                      This is not difficult people.
                      People are resistant goggles. It’s not about keeping you safe. It’s about keeping my 97 year old nana safe.

                      Stay home and wear goggles, face shield and mask.

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Goggles
                        mask
                        face shields
                        Long sleeves
                        Long pants
                        Rubber bands on wrists and ankles
                        24/7 geared up, even in your home
                        Stay home

                        This is not difficult people.
                        Googles with a face shield in addition to a full mask are essential. Disposable rubber gloves and long sleeves and pants are a great idea.

                        Get used to it. This is the new normal for a long, long time. After a couple years people won't even remember what it was like to be in public without full protection.

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