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    Wow, look no further if you need to see how deep and pervasive the Timbers sludge runs.

    #2
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Wow, look no further if you need to see how deep and pervasive the Timbers sludge runs.
    Do tell. Are you complaining about recent events in scouting next year's U15 team, or is this another b****fest about Draco Malfoy?

    Sorry your kid didn't make it. Neither did mine, apparently, as we've not been involved in any of this.

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      #3
      Did any non DA players get invited to this? Thought these talent ID centers invited more than 20 players to any particular session.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Do tell. Are you complaining about recent events in scouting next year's U15 team, or is this another b****fest about Draco Malfoy?

        Sorry your kid didn't make it. Neither did mine, apparently, as we've not been involved in any of this.
        I think they were referring to some of the players associated with timbers affiliates that were selected and could not hold others jocks and maybe that it is predominantly those on the scoring list and not any defensive players. TA does struggle to score and could use a ton of help....

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Did any non DA players get invited to this? Thought these talent ID centers invited more than 20 players to any particular session.
          US Soccer Scouts come to games and keep tabs on the development of players. Twice a year the scout puts together a list of 36-40 local players for the USSDA Market Director to come in a run some sessions and play 9v9 and 11v11 games. From there players can be chosen for national camp. These coaches are mainly keeping track of everyone’s development . If you are outside of the DA you will not be invited

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            I think they were referring to some of the players associated with timbers affiliates that were selected and could not hold others jocks and maybe that it is predominantly those on the scoring list and not any defensive players. TA does struggle to score and could use a ton of help....
            So... Butthurt mommy of Nike club defender who was passed over, or troll pretending to be butthurt mommy of Nike club defender who was passed over?

            Hard to tell sometimes.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              US Soccer Scouts come to games and keep tabs on the development of players. Twice a year the scout puts together a list of 36-40 local players for the USSDA Market Director to come in a run some sessions and play 9v9 and 11v11 games. From there players can be chosen for national camp. These coaches are mainly keeping track of everyone’s development . If you are outside of the DA you will not be invited
              And yet there are kids from Bend and Eugene on the list. They are far from inside the DA, and yet here we are. How could their inclusion work within your theory? Oh yeah...because they are from a Timbers affiliate club! That must be it! And to the other poster who was making snarky comments about no defenders, Nike or not, there are no defenders on the list at all.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                And yet there are kids from Bend and Eugene on the list. They are far from inside the DA, and yet here we are. How could their inclusion work within your theory? Oh yeah...because they are from a Timbers affiliate club! That must be it! And to the other poster who was making snarky comments about no defenders, Nike or not, there are no defenders on the list at all.
                Those players you mention train with DA teams but do not play in DA games.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Those players you mention train with DA teams but do not play in DA games.
                  Aren’t they required to be listed on the rosters as PT development players then? Will they also get to play high school soccer when the time comes? This would be a great scam for a player. Get the extra training and opportunities with DA, still play and be a star on your convenient local club team, get to play high school soccer! Everyone is going to want this! Especially because, per their own rules, development players must be on the bubble and NOT players gaming the system to play in both worlds. So, if these Eugene and Bend players aren’t full time DA players, now that they’ve been chosen as one of the best DA players, must they switch to FT players?

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Aren’t they required to be listed on the rosters as PT development players then? Will they also get to play high school soccer when the time comes? This would be a great scam for a player. Get the extra training and opportunities with DA, still play and be a star on your convenient local club team, get to play high school soccer! Everyone is going to want this! Especially because, per their own rules, development players must be on the bubble and NOT players gaming the system to play in both worlds. So, if these Eugene and Bend players aren’t full time DA players, now that they’ve been chosen as one of the best DA players, must they switch to FT players?
                    Somebody seems to be confusing "DA" with "Timbers Academy" here.

                    Lots of players from other clubs train with the Timbers Academy, but are not rostered with it (either as FT or PT) and do not play in games with them. Generally this is by invitation only. (PT players can play for another non-DA team within a club; I don't believe they can play with a different club, though how "club" is defined may be a bit loose. Does OPFC use any PTs that are rostered with LO or WUSC, for instance? I wouldn't object to that, personally, even though technically one could say it's a different "club" than it's feeders).

                    Some of these kids play for little DA teams in the metro area; others play for non-DA teams, including Alliance clubs in more remote parts of Oregon.

                    Utterly nothing about this arrangement violates The Rules, whether you think it's "fair" or not.

                    And as far as HS soccer goes--Little DA ends after U14. Unless you are selected to the Timbers Academy at or above U15, your club affiliation will not prevent a boy from playing high school.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      And yet there are kids from Bend and Eugene on the list. They are far from inside the DA, and yet here we are. How could their inclusion work within your theory? Oh yeah...because they are from a Timbers affiliate club! That must be it! And to the other poster who was making snarky comments about no defenders, Nike or not, there are no defenders on the list at all.
                      The "no defenders" part is interesting; a while back on the main 05 thread it was observed that most of the TA defenders were mids or forwards at club, and it was wondered if the Timbers generally consider the defenders produced by club teams to be insufficiently skilled to play at the next level.

                      We all know of coaches who simply stick their biggest fastest kids on defense, do little to help them develop their touch, including giving them opportunities up front, and instruct them to get rid of the ball as soon as they win it from an opponent, and to not even THINK of trying to dribble out of the back.

                      But in general, I suspect the "list" (which I haven't seen, my kid ain't on it) is dominated by kids who, among other things, tend to win the individual battles on the field. If your DS frequently loses the ball when he challenges (or is challenged by) other players, he's probably not going to be of interest to TA, no matter how good he might be at other things like marking and tackling.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        The "no defenders" part is interesting; a while back on the main 05 thread it was observed that most of the TA defenders were mids or forwards at club, and it was wondered if the Timbers generally consider the defenders produced by club teams to be insufficiently skilled to play at the next level.

                        We all know of coaches who simply stick their biggest fastest kids on defense, do little to help them develop their touch, including giving them opportunities up front, and instruct them to get rid of the ball as soon as they win it from an opponent, and to not even THINK of trying to dribble out of the back.

                        But in general, I suspect the "list" (which I haven't seen, my kid ain't on it) is dominated by kids who, among other things, tend to win the individual battles on the field. If your DS frequently loses the ball when he challenges (or is challenged by) other players, he's probably not going to be of interest to TA, no matter how good he might be at other things like marking and tackling.
                        All of this.

                        The “get it out of there” “clear it” screamed by the ill informed soccer mom on her 3rd husband in uggs makes me laugh every weekend

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          US Soccer Scouts come to games and keep tabs on the development of players. Twice a year the scout puts together a list of 36-40 local players for the USSDA Market Director to come in a run some sessions and play 9v9 and 11v11 games. From there players can be chosen for national camp. These coaches are mainly keeping track of everyone’s development . If you are outside of the DA you will not be invited
                          Not true- bend and Eugene timbers players were invited and they are not DA- might want to refrain from speaking out of turn. Just shows the Timbers alliance trying to justify itself. 4H has a few kids more qualified than half this list but no Timbers alliance for example....

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            So... Butthurt mommy of Nike club defender who was passed over, or troll pretending to be butthurt mommy of Nike club defender who was passed over?

                            Hard to tell sometimes.
                            Look in the mirror you fing hypocrite- why do you feel the need to be an a hole all the time. I thought they pointed out the flawed list/issue without bias, just the reality of the makeup of the list...

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              All of this.

                              The “get it out of there” “clear it” screamed by the ill informed soccer mom on her 3rd husband in uggs makes me laugh every weekend
                              If her third husband is in uggs, how long before she gets her fourth? :)

                              Actually, this sort of thing I expect from parents--many of whom want to win.

                              And here's the thing--a lot of this pressure comes from the kids, who want to win most of all, and roll their eyes (or get pissed off) when the coach does things that may be good for long-term development, but everyone on the field knows are poor tactics if the goal is to Win That Game. Kids figure out quickly that a turnover in the defensive third is far more dangerous than one near the other team's goal, and a lot of the pressure to clear it, boot it long, get it out of danger comes from teammates and even the kids themselves.

                              But some coaches do "pigeonhole" players into defensive roles, and then discourage them from dribbling.

                              And pretty much all the DA coaches like to specialize--playing kids at the positions where they are most comfortable or the most developed, never switching it around (or only doing so in games that are well out of hand).

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