Thorns have some of the worst teams in the country

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Not true. The level of play in ECNL was decimated by GDA. Oregon ECNL have remained roughly the same quality wise, but their competition in WA, Col, Utah, and Nor Cal have dropped significantly. Sorry, but the local talent pool is not improving that much. And not to take away from parents and kids extreme excitement at winning their ECNL division, but to the rest of us it is just fairly meaningless and unremarkable.

ECNL was affected but no way decimated. The only people who say this are the same people who are not involved and don’t see the competition because you are sitting at home claiming local play is the way to go.

College recruiters and clubs leaving the GDA prove otherwise... the better talent, competition, and format is in ECNL..... and we will see how the local ECNL clubs do as the rest return.

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Well here’s the difference.
The statement ECNL is second tier is a fact. Any one of the top 25 GDA teams at every age group would beat the top ECNL team.
The statement, The DA’s failure is accelerating and top clubs who tried both are increasingly choosing ECNL over DA is a full blown exaggeration. A few clubs nationwide who had clubs in both chose ECNL after being given an ultimatum by ECNL that the clubs couldn’t have an ECNL if they also had a DA team. For these clubs, when kids were given a choice to play for the DA team or the ECNL team, overall the best kids chose DA. Example- Xfire Premiere. The DA has never made such an ultimatum. They don’t have too. Now, given the ECNL ultimatum, a few clubs have chosen ECNL. You can go about waving your arms and hollering about the high school ban and the parents and kids wanted ECNL, but that is all a lie. When given the choice, parents and kids chose the DA. The clubs, when forced to make the choice, did what all businesses do, they looked at their financial numbers, and determined the financial incentives being offered by ECNL were too good to pass up. Anyone who thinks their decisions had to do with anything else has their head in the sand. The DA is not perfect, but it is not failing by any stretch of the imagination.

Nice try fool. Silverlakes proves you wrong. So does the number of top clubs quitting the DA. You DA fools have no FACTS to backup your arm waving and lies.

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The Thorns DA have the worst teams in their NW Division and some of the most low tier teams in the national DA system. Just look at the DA standings. This is a fact.

Crossfire Oregon ECNL has appeared to be better than they are due to their ECNL conference being ravaged by the loss of clubs to the girls DA. This is also a fact.

FC Portland ECNL is terrible and should not even have an ECNL program. This is backed up by their poor overall club position in the standings.

Portland Oregon simply does not have enough high level talented players to have three clubs, located in the same west Portland geography, competing for the same small pool of players. This is a fact.

Arguing about which program is better is like saying dog poo is better than chicken poo.

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The Thorns DA have the worst teams in their NW Division and some of the most low tier teams in the national DA system. Just look at the DA standings. This is a fact.

Crossfire Oregon ECNL has appeared to be better than they are due to their ECNL conference being ravaged by the loss of clubs to the girls DA. This is also a fact.

FC Portland ECNL is terrible and should not even have an ECNL program. This is backed up by their poor overall club position in the standings.

Portland Oregon simply does not have enough high level talented players to have three clubs, located in the same west Portland geography, competing for the same small pool of players. This is a fact.

Arguing about which program is better is like saying dog poo is better than chicken poo.

Thorns is broke. CU Ecnl is recruiting their way to decent teams but continue to lie about their mediocre realities compared to everyones top teams in Oregon. fc Portland’s coaching is lol and driving them under, OYSA quality is few and far between.

Oregon is currently as they’ve always been. Midgets arguing about who’s taller when the tall people aren’t around.

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Well here’s the difference.
The statement ECNL is second tier is a fact. Any one of the top 25 GDA teams at every age group would beat the top ECNL team.
The statement, The DA’s failure is accelerating and top clubs who tried both are increasingly choosing ECNL over DA is a full blown exaggeration. A few clubs nationwide who had clubs in both chose ECNL after being given an ultimatum by ECNL that the clubs couldn’t have an ECNL if they also had a DA team. For these clubs, when kids were given a choice to play for the DA team or the ECNL team, overall the best kids chose DA. Example- Xfire Premiere. The DA has never made such an ultimatum. They don’t have too. Now, given the ECNL ultimatum, a few clubs have chosen ECNL. You can go about waving your arms and hollering about the high school ban and the parents and kids wanted ECNL, but that is all a lie. When given the choice, parents and kids chose the DA. The clubs, when forced to make the choice, did what all businesses do, they looked at their financial numbers, and determined the financial incentives being offered by ECNL were too good to pass up. Anyone who thinks their decisions had to do with anything else has their head in the sand. The DA is not perfect, but it is not failing by any stretch of the imagination.

This year:

Slammers
Michigan Hawks
PDA
Eclipse
Stars of Mass


Next year:

Crossfire Premier
Colorado Real
Solar
Texan
So Cal Blues

It is safe to say that the best teams are in ECNL

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Thorns is broke. CU Ecnl is recruiting their way to decent teams but continue to lie about their mediocre realities compared to everyones top teams in Oregon. fc Portland’s coaching is lol and driving them under, OYSA quality is few and far between.

Oregon is currently as they’ve always been. Midgets arguing about who’s taller when the tall people aren’t around.

Thorns aren't broke. Peregrine is making boatloads of money, and even the Thorns appear to be profitable.

Now, it appears that Peregrine is far less interested in an academy for girls than one for boys--if they ran a fully-paid academy it could be something special. (Of course, at some point it would probably involve few if any local girls; a fully-paid academy could probably attract top talent from all around the country).

But there's less incentive to do that given the structure and economics of NWSL.

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This year:

Slammers
Michigan Hawks
PDA
Eclipse
Stars of Mass


Next year:

Crossfire Premier
Colorado Real
Solar
Texan
So Cal Blues

It is safe to say that the best teams are in ECNL

Its still safe to say that 90% of the teams in the DA, top 20 in USYS, and top 15 in Ecnl are miles ahead of anything from Oregon.

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Its still safe to say that 90% of the teams in the DA, top 20 in USYS, and top 15 in Ecnl are miles ahead of anything from Oregon.

Maybe true statement for most Oregon teams.

There are a handful of Oregon teams like CU03 that would beat 90% of DA teams.

CU03 was final 4 last year

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This year:

Slammers
Michigan Hawks
PDA
Eclipse
Stars of Mass


Next year:

Crossfire Premier
Colorado Real
Solar
Texan
So Cal Blues

It is safe to say that the best teams are in ECNL

Crossfire Premier in for ECNL, the other four not.

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Crossfire Premier in for ECNL, the other four not.

You need to keep up on the news

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Maybe true statement for most Oregon teams.

There are a handful of Oregon teams like CU03 that would beat 90% of DA teams.

CU03 was final 4 last year

Wrong. You have no clue and like all CU people are making that up.

Final 4 in a league as you already agreed with 90% of the best GONE. And they haven’t shown anything but mediocrity since then.

Every coach who watches them knows they are 1 player away from being average.

GPS is a better team. You can’t claim to being better than 90% of the teams you used to lose to before da while knowing full and well GPS would probably beat you.

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What you don’t understand is that those were the first years in ECNL. Since then the quality of play and teams have improved drastically. Additionally, the actual improvement in results is not 1 for 1 with the clubs who went DA. ECNL haters can’t stand this. We have good competitive Oregon teams who are not part of the Timbers cult.

Just an FYI the level of the US Club girls league (ecnl), prior to CU & FC signing up consisted of a great collection of top flight clubs from the contiguous power states. During the first couple of years in this league CU and FC weren't even remotely competitive in what was the strongest version ever of the US Club travel league........circa 2012-16

Then in 2017 nearly every club that was top flight in the country sent their best teams to the DA, those accepted of course. Yes they were all out of USYS and US Club leagues in well fell swoop. Sadly CU and FC were not accepted into the DA at this time, like the elite clubs were...at the same time the NWSL Portland Thorns were accepted to the DA. This was simply a cold cocked slap in the face to the imaginary competitive local clubs who modern day are simply leftover fodder in a ravaged US Club league. They are Rejoicing if a club returns from the 80 who joined the DA in 2017. It's quite pathetic and funny at the same time.

The level of play for the last two seasons in the graveyard US Club League has featured a robust number of 'B' & 'C' Teams mostly from the clubs who elevated their top teams to the DA.

Oregon's 2 local clubs are at time of publication traveling still today to play 'B' & 'C' teams + some small town 'A' towns and yet still can't claim relevance in this leftover league of girls.

Nowadays the (DOC's) cling hard to the only low hanging fruit left for them, that is chasing title ix surplus $$ for the low talent pool, which is doable and they might as well grab hard.
They throw in a dose of the benefits of Oregon HS Soccer. It's now all about the recreational experience and travel memories. Yes, the cost of travel is a pain since Oregon is the remote NW Corner of a massive country.

In the backdrop we have such good competitive girls in Oregon HS that not one team can come within 8 to 10 goals of Jesuit HS.

In conclusion there really is no cure (that's legal) for insanity, enjoy your time in the general public as long as you can pimping Oregon's super competitive girls soccer that we have been dealt in spades.

A narrative worth repeating for the willing sucker to purchase.

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Thorns aren't broke. Peregrine is making boatloads of money, and even the Thorns appear to be profitable.

Now, it appears that Peregrine is far less interested in an academy for girls than one for boys--if they ran a fully-paid academy it could be something special. (Of course, at some point it would probably involve few if any local girls; a fully-paid academy could probably attract top talent from all around the country).

But there's less incentive to do that given the structure and economics of NWSL.

They are paying for Girls to play DA Soccer.

It's truly unheard of.

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Wrong. You have no clue and like all CU people are making that up.

Final 4 in a league as you already agreed with 90% of the best GONE. And they haven’t shown anything but mediocrity since then.

Every coach who watches them knows they are 1 player away from being average.

GPS is a better team. You can’t claim to being better than 90% of the teams you used to lose to before da while knowing full and well GPS would probably beat you.

Who agreed with the statement about a league with 90% of the best gone. The best clubs are Slammers, PDA, Eclipse, SoCal Blues, Stars of Mass, etc.. these are all clubs doing
Ecnl.

You are a real idiot if you think 90% of the talent are gone from ECNL.

I said 90% of the teams in the top leagues are better than most Oregon teams.

GPS was a good team about 3 years ago. You are living in the past. Since then players
from both FC and GPS have left and are now with CU. CU has a national team player who just moved from Hawaii to join the team. People don’t do that to join bad teams.

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They are paying for Girls to play DA Soccer.

It's truly unheard of.

Girls or girl?

Who is “they”? Nike or Peregrine?

Most people will tell you that this experiment will not end well.