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    #31
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    The only constant between where you ultimately play and graduate is the fact that unless you are able to pursue professional opportunity in the game, it all ends exactly at the final whistle. It then becomes nothing more than a bragging point the rest of your days.
    So feel free to continue the infantile discourse about whose is bigger; the day will come when that won't matter either.
    So now it doesnt matter unless you go pro. Got it.

    Why play at all? What is the point?

    You elite D3 guys are a riot. You love to claim that the schools are better than Ivies, the soccer is better or equal to D1, the air is fresher, the water more pure.

    Talk about having issues!

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      The only constant between where you ultimately play and graduate is the fact that unless you are able to pursue professional opportunity in the game, it all ends exactly at the final whistle. It then becomes nothing more than a bragging point the rest of your days.
      So feel free to continue the infantile discourse about whose is bigger; the day will come when that won't matter either.
      Just for the record, mine is bigger.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        One can certainly argue that the college experience might be richer with a D3 program due to more flexibility and a less arduous off season.

        But let's not pretend D3 is equal to or better than D1 from a soccer perspective as others have tried to claim. It is simply not the case. Be happy with your choice and realize there are pros and cons with every decision.
        OP here - I totally agree and have never said the two are equal. There may be some exceptions but in general D1 is the clear winner. I don't begrudge any student athlete their choices, no matter what they are or the reasoning behind them. As long as they are happy with their own choices and the choices are their own, not what their parents want for them :)

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          ah yes, more of the same mindless rants by a bunch of "experts" on college soccer. This all comes back down to what your goals are. If you truly want to do things like make the national team or become a professional than basically you will need to make soccer your number one priority over anything else, even if you have an incredibly gifted young soccer player. They will need to play the best competition, get lots of exposure and dedicate themselves 100%. if you are trying to get some form of scholarship to a D1 school, it probably wont need to be much different. What percent of kids will achieve either..not a lot obviously. If you love to play soccer and are pretty good, then perhaps you will be just fine playing high school and it could help you get into a very good academic school where you can continue to play soccer at the college level, but at a D2 or D3. Given the fact that very few will end up making a living as a professional soccer player, most will ultimately be successful in some other sort of industry or profession. So what might be more important is the quality of the education that you get in that D1 , D2, or D3 school. But each has to figure out what their goals are long term and make that their plan. Of course D1 schools will beat D3 in 99% of the cases..that is why they are D1. But it doesn't mean that there aren't opportunities for soccer success in lower divisions. perhaps one day people will actually try and respect each others opinions here, but first we need to stop telling other people what is best for their children, especially when it might be different from our own point of view.
          "If you truly want to do things like make the national team or become a professional than basically you will need to make soccer your number one priority over anything else, even if you have an incredibly gifted young soccer player. They will need to play the best competition, get lots of exposure and dedicate themselves 100%."

          If this is the case, then muddying the path with college soccer--at any division--is not the best route to take. If you are truly "all in" and good enough to play professionally, you sign right out high school or, more likely, continue on the route from a professional club's youth academy. College soccer is an impediment to a professional career, so why play it unless you are trying to hedge your bets with education?

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            #35
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            The only constant between where you ultimately play and graduate is the fact that unless you are able to pursue professional opportunity in the game, it all ends exactly at the final whistle. It then becomes nothing more than a bragging point the rest of your days.
            So feel free to continue the infantile discourse about whose is bigger; the day will come when that won't matter either.
            Not quite true. Some of you forget that there IS scholarship money available to play soccer and that some players DO actually get some of it. The infantile discourse about how important the academic component is always seems to discount the importance of the financial component. Just because some doctor from Acton sees the costs of a college education as trivial that doesn't mean that everyone else does. With the 4 year cost of some of these elite New England colleges now reaching in excess of $250,000 the financial consequences of our kid's college decisions can be far reaching. Every dollar of scholarship money a player gets should be considered a future saver not a bragging point.

            This whole thread is as an insult. The basic premise behind it that you "NEED" to pay for some high priced youth soccer club so your child can live out their sports fantasy while attending some ridiculously over priced college is just nauseating. You are correct that at some point everyone has to hang up their cleats, but no one seems to be challenging Muffy's and Buffy's over indulgence before they hang up theirs. The truth is they don't have to play soccer to fund their education because their dad the Doctor can throw money at whatever he wants. The thing he can't buy though is respect and that is what he is desperately pinning for in all of these threads. The thing is no one really denies respect when you go out and earn it but it is a whole different story when you are cutting every corner possible trying to buy your kid's way to the front of the line. Buy your kids whatever the hell you want, just don't delude yourself into thinking it also buys respect.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              "If you truly want to do things like make the national team or become a professional than basically you will need to make soccer your number one priority over anything else, even if you have an incredibly gifted young soccer player. They will need to play the best competition, get lots of exposure and dedicate themselves 100%."

              If this is the case, then muddying the path with college soccer--at any division--is not the best route to take. If you are truly "all in" and good enough to play professionally, you sign right out high school or, more likely, continue on the route from a professional club's youth academy. College soccer is an impediment to a professional career, so why play it unless you are trying to hedge your bets with education?
              Bingo, you get it. Now flip it around, if you are really all in for getting an education why in the name of god are you screwing around with soccer?

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Bingo, you get it. Now flip it around, if you are really all in for getting an education why in the name of god are you screwing around with soccer?
                Please stop with the condescending, transparent self-responses--and the absurd false contrasts.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Just for the record, mine is bigger.
                  I hope you are a guy. If not ewww.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Please stop with the condescending, transparent self-responses--and the absurd false contrasts.
                    not the op but it is a relevant question

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Please stop with the condescending, transparent self-responses--and the absurd false contrasts.
                      Your need for respect is too transparent. Daddy if you want Muffy and Buffy to be superstars why don't you just buy them their own league to star in and quit screwing around talking about how "real" D3 sports are.

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        So now it doesnt matter unless you go pro. Got it.

                        Why play at all? What is the point?

                        You elite D3 guys are a riot. You love to claim that the schools are better than Ivies, the soccer is better or equal to D1, the air is fresher, the water more pure.

                        Talk about having issues!
                        I think that you missed the OPs original point. I don't think he was stating that D3 team's on average would compete favorably with D1 team. Just that even to play at D3 level you have to be a pretty remarkable athlete.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Not quite true. Some of you forget that there IS scholarship money available to play soccer and that some players DO actually get some of it. The infantile discourse about how important the academic component is always seems to discount the importance of the financial component. Just because some doctor from Acton sees the costs of a college education as trivial that doesn't mean that everyone else does. With the 4 year cost of some of these elite New England colleges now reaching in excess of $250,000 the financial consequences of our kid's college decisions can be far reaching. Every dollar of scholarship money a player gets should be considered a future saver not a bragging point.

                          This whole thread is as an insult. The basic premise behind it that you "NEED" to pay for some high priced youth soccer club so your child can live out their sports fantasy while attending some ridiculously over priced college is just nauseating. You are correct that at some point everyone has to hang up their cleats, but no one seems to be challenging Muffy's and Buffy's over indulgence before they hang up theirs. The truth is they don't have to play soccer to fund their education because their dad the Doctor can throw money at whatever he wants. The thing he can't buy though is respect and that is what he is desperately pinning for in all of these threads. The thing is no one really denies respect when you go out and earn it but it is a whole different story when you are cutting every corner possible trying to buy your kid's way to the front of the line. Buy your kids whatever the hell you want, just don't delude yourself into thinking it also buys respect.
                          BTDT, you are a horror show.

                          This is the real OP (AKA Perspective), who started the thread.

                          Let me first say (yet again) that I am not one of the posters who claim D3 players are as good as D1 players. My point is that the D3 players are not jokes. Many of them of are still very, very good players who have played at the higher levels of youth soccer for years. They aren't journeyman high school and town players. THAT is what is insulting. And that was the point of showing the Wheaton recruits and their backgrounds, similar to what we saw with Brandeis and Messiah a short while ago. Players who are in the All-State to all-New England range and/or who played DAP/ECNL or for the top non-DAP/ECNL clubs are pretty darn good players. The ideas that these kids shouldn't want to lpay or that they are playing at the equivalent of the chess club are insanely insulting (and blatantly wrong).

                          Another point was the disservice BTDT is doing by degrading D3 as much as he can. Parents who listen to him will think you can just walk off your high school team and into a roster spot on a top 50-75 D3 program. Absolutely false, and as noted, most good club players won't make it to even D3.

                          The money argument is amusing. Some spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in search of the D1 money (between soccer training and prep schools) and then act like it is all worth it in the end because they are getting a portion of money back. The first thing all of us are told is don't do this if you are in it for the full athletic ride. And then these same people make the D1 experience sound absolutely miserable. No social life. Phony academics. "It's a job 24/7." Oddly, we don't hear real parents of real D1 alumni posting here to confirm how awful it all was. As for D3, we're talking about schools these kids would be going to whether they played soccer or not. Do you expect the top 50 D3s to have no enrollment at all? Should no one attend them? Should D3 athletics be scrapped entirely? Some offer merit money and some families qualify for substantial FA. Some pay full price but they would have paid full price anyway.

                          Why would someone be so invested in telling happy people that they really aren't happy? Why would he be invested in saying D3 is nothing? After all saying that D3 players are very good only boosts the perception of how good D1 players must be. Take it as a compliment.

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                            #43
                            There are some very good teams in D3 that is correct. But to think the best NESCAC team would beat he worst Ivy League is just not true.

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                              #44
                              The demeaning responses in this thread are 100% about BTDT defending and digging in his heels about forcing his kid who was/is a high level D3 player to play at the lowest level of D3 as punishment for breaking the family D1 legacy chain. If he had allowed her to go to a Trinity or Union or SLU on the front end then the tune he is singing would be completely different.

                              A better question given all of his insults and arguments against playing is why in the world he would support a kid playing D1. Even with a full ride, he won't make up the money already spent, so the economic argument doesn't fly. And since we've heard how much D1 is like a job and the coach/school owns you and won't let you take the classes you might want/need to take, there certainly is no educational incentive according to him. So what's the justification? Fighting for an ACC title? Quick, name which school won the conference in 2007. In the end, playing D1 is going to provide much of a payout beyond D3. The truth is that competitive kids who love the sport are going to try and play as long as they can at the highest or close to the highest level they can while accomplishing any other other goals. Very few are playing because their parents are looking at it purely as a business deal.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                BTDT, you are a horror show.

                                This is the real OP (AKA Perspective), who started the thread.

                                Let me first say (yet again) that I am not one of the posters who claim D3 players are as good as D1 players. My point is that the D3 players are not jokes. Many of them of are still very, very good players who have played at the higher levels of youth soccer for years. They aren't journeyman high school and town players. THAT is what is insulting. And that was the point of showing the Wheaton recruits and their backgrounds, similar to what we saw with Brandeis and Messiah a short while ago. Players who are in the All-State to all-New England range and/or who played DAP/ECNL or for the top non-DAP/ECNL clubs are pretty darn good players. The ideas that these kids shouldn't want to lpay or that they are playing at the equivalent of the chess club are insanely insulting (and blatantly wrong).

                                Another point was the disservice BTDT is doing by degrading D3 as much as he can. Parents who listen to him will think you can just walk off your high school team and into a roster spot on a top 50-75 D3 program. Absolutely false, and as noted, most good club players won't make it to even D3.

                                The money argument is amusing. Some spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in search of the D1 money (between soccer training and prep schools) and then act like it is all worth it in the end because they are getting a portion of money back. The first thing all of us are told is don't do this if you are in it for the full athletic ride. And then these same people make the D1 experience sound absolutely miserable. No social life. Phony academics. "It's a job 24/7." Oddly, we don't hear real parents of real D1 alumni posting here to confirm how awful it all was. As for D3, we're talking about schools these kids would be going to whether they played soccer or not. Do you expect the top 50 D3s to have no enrollment at all? Should no one attend them? Should D3 athletics be scrapped entirely? Some offer merit money and some families qualify for substantial FA. Some pay full price but they would have paid full price anyway.

                                Why would someone be so invested in telling happy people that they really aren't happy? Why would he be invested in saying D3 is nothing? After all saying that D3 players are very good only boosts the perception of how good D1 players must be. Take it as a compliment.
                                P, we knew who started the thread. You don't need a NESCAC degree to figure out that you wanted your buddy BTDT to come out and play.

                                And if you need to prop up your kid this badly by stating how great D3 is go right ahead. Fact of the matter is really simple, most kids do not play their chosen sport in college at any level. This is true whether it be football, baseball, soccer, track, lacrosse, etc. As a rule, those who do tend to be committed and pretty good players.

                                Playing D1 (and getting significant money) is a rare, rare thing. Ask any AD, Prinicpal or coach. It simply does not happen that often.

                                To play D3 you are probably top third of their high school starting team. That does not make them that special. They are above average athletes, with above average commitment to a sport.

                                Now we can commence with that my D3 is better than your D3. And this league is better than that league. At the end of the day, if the D3 kids were good enough and committed enough they would be playing D1, or better yet going pro.

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