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    #46
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    most ID visits are a money grab. buyer beware
    You definitely have to scrutinize the invites carefully or call/have your club coach to call to see if you're really on their radar or not. For some players it might be their only chance to get in front of a coach if that coach doesn't attend their showcases. Just be 1) realistic about your chances 2) only do the schools you really want 3) only do one day events to limit the spending. No one shows well at 2+ day events anyway. It's exhausting. Totally agree on the multi school events; they're a waste of time and $.

    different poster

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      #47
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Okay, so if you have a kid who plays on a mid-level ECNL team, she shouldn't include any accolades or invites she's received to id2 or NTC or PDP events or events she has attended?And definitely don't send any film to coaches, right? Just send a generic email like all the other kids that didn't get identified by various outlets and cross your fingers that the coach (because he likes your name or something) decides to come see you for a whooping 15 minutes at some showcase and says-yep, that's the player I want!

      Seriously just STFU...
      Push back guy has no idea what he's talking about when it comes to what most players experience. Great that his player is a supposed stud who had coaches falling over themselves to land her. That s the exception, not the norm. Anything you can do to stand out helps. Coaches get hundreds of emails. They have to narrow down their options of who to go see at showcases because they can't see everyone. Including a video won't hurt your chances. They just don't click on it.

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        #48
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        most ID visits are a money grab. buyer beware
        The larger ID visits are indeed money-grabs. If there are 100 kids at the session, no way the coach gets anything more than a cursory look at the player. But if the kid has shared their accolades, invites, highlight video beforehand and peeks the coach's interest, that probably increases the chances that the coach will keep an eye out for that player.

        For some colleges, the coaches run much smaller ID clinics and can get a much better sense of each player.

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          #49
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Okay, so if you have a kid who plays on a mid-level ECNL team, she shouldn't include any accolades or invites she's received to id2 or NTC or PDP events or events she has attended?And definitely don't send any film to coaches, right? Just send a generic email like all the other kids that didn't get identified by various outlets and cross your fingers that the coach (because he likes your name or something) decides to come see you for a whooping 15 minutes at some showcase and says-yep, that's the player I want!

          Seriously just STFU...
          I said dont buy into this im above average mindset. you are what the coaches you are chasing think you are. Film is mostly not informative. Highlights usually zero in on the player and show a skill. It usually takes a player best moments. It does not show what almost ALL good coaches want to see. What a player does OFF the ball, the decisions she makes in the context of the game.

          i did not say send a generic email either. If you are a player who falls into the category you seem to be describing, then why are you chasing soccer attention anyway? goes back to the realistic part.

          why do you think your kid can play in College? what is her BEST attribute. Is that valuable? who is it valuable to? How can I market that part of her game?

          Real questions that you should ask. Instead you want to be hostile because someone disagrees with the method you seem to value which is , by the way , not going to differentiate you at all.

          Out of interest, what College program did your method get your kid into? and is it the method? or is it actually the kid

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            #50
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Thank you. This is not just a soccer thing - highlight videos are submitted to colleges for types of sports. Of course a team with connections is going to get a good school to come out and see their star(s), but there are hundred of thousands of kids out there all trying to make it to the next level. Even the most famous of athletes have youth film that you an research online.

            I agree the videos should be short and not include any fancy editing. But as another poster mentioned how would a mid-level player who's not the star of some huge club get seen if they don't showcase themselves with highlight videos?
            your first line shows you dont really get it. Soccer is not like other sports.

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              #51
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Push back guy has no idea what he's talking about when it comes to what most players experience. Great that his player is a supposed stud who had coaches falling over themselves to land her. That s the exception, not the norm. Anything you can do to stand out helps. Coaches get hundreds of emails. They have to narrow down their options of who to go see at showcases because they can't see everyone. Including a video won't hurt your chances. They just don't click on it.
              why would ANYONE have any idea what other players not in their situation go thru? Just because we play on the same team or live in the same area has no bearing on our situation does it?

              its funny that people here are insulting a guy simply because his experience is very different to yours.

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                #52
                How do coaches hear about player to begin with?

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  why would ANYONE have any idea what other players not in their situation go thru? Just because we play on the same team or live in the same area has no bearing on our situation does it?

                  its funny that people here are insulting a guy simply because his experience is very different to yours.
                  His experience is atypical and parents need to understand the difference between what happens to the top 10-15 players in the area vs all the rest.

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    How do coaches hear about player to begin with?
                    Often times club coaches, many of whom are also college coaches. Relationships develop over the years that clubs work at sustaining. They can burn bridges if they start pushing too many kids that aren't a good fit.

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                      #55
                      High school vs GDA Re recruitment

                      Can someone explain how colleges look upon a girl playing high school soccer as opposed to playing GDA.

                      Second, I have heard some younger girls are playing public high school and are so strong that the club will let them return to GDA once high school season is over. Other than the social aspect, is there any benefit/ advantage to this in the recruiting process.

                      Thank you.

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Can someone explain how colleges look upon a girl playing high school soccer as opposed to playing GDA.

                        Second, I have heard some younger girls are playing public high school and are so strong that the club will let them return to GDA once high school season is over. Other than the social aspect, is there any benefit/ advantage to this in the recruiting process.

                        Thank you.
                        Coaches don't really care about HS but want to know that you're at a quality club playing in a quality league. HS accolades, All State, etc are nice to good and make a bullet point for the resume but little else in terms of recruiting. GDA is too young and quality is so variable that coaches know GDA isn't necessarily the best league. They're still shopping GDA and ECNL, to a much lesser extent NPL. Get good training at a club that does a good job preparing you for the intensity of college play.

                        As for some kids playing HS then joining DA that is a loophole in the system. Some clubs will do it for the studs they really want (on the QT) and others won't.

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Coaches don't really care about HS but want to know that you're at a quality club playing in a quality league. HS accolades, All State, etc are nice to good and make a bullet point for the resume but little else in terms of recruiting. GDA is too young and quality is so variable that coaches know GDA isn't necessarily the best league. They're still shopping GDA and ECNL, to a much lesser extent NPL. Get good training at a club that does a good job preparing you for the intensity of college play.

                          As for some kids playing HS then joining DA that is a loophole in the system. Some clubs will do it for the studs they really want (on the QT) and others won't.
                          What about aside from college soccer? Just applying to a good college. Does having high school soccer on the extracurriculars vs. GDA or ECNL mean more?

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                            #58
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Can someone explain how colleges look upon a girl playing high school soccer as opposed to playing GDA.

                            Second, I have heard some younger girls are playing public high school and are so strong that the club will let them return to GDA once high school season is over. Other than the social aspect, is there any benefit/ advantage to this in the recruiting process.

                            Thank you.
                            At this point, college coaches are not differentiating between GDA and ECNL...at least not on the East Coast where GDA has struggled and lost 2 of the biggest/strongest clubs.

                            Yes, there are girls playing both public and "private" soccer and will return to GDA after the school season. The players are top players, one being named the GDA East Coast POY, so yeah they get to call the shots.

                            The only benefit/advantage of HS is for the mid-level player looking at mid-level colleges using HS accolades to maybe gain an edge over the next mid-level player. Top programs don't particularly care about school accolades, I mean State/Gatorade POY and All-American are nice and look pretty in the bio, but "missed HS season due to NT committments" looks better, lol.
                            Top GDA players who are playing HS are most likely just doing it for the social experience.

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                              #59
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              What about aside from college soccer? Just applying to a good college. Does having high school soccer on the extracurriculars vs. GDA or ECNL mean more?
                              Admissions officers love varsity athletes, especially multisport ones and captains. To admissions club soccer at any level is just an outside acticity. Coaches might care about the level you play at but admissions definitely will not.

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                                #60
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                At this point, college coaches are not differentiating between GDA and ECNL...at least not on the East Coast where GDA has struggled and lost 2 of the biggest/strongest clubs.

                                Yes, there are girls playing both public and "private" soccer and will return to GDA after the school season. The players are top players, one being named the GDA East Coast POY, so yeah they get to call the shots.

                                The only benefit/advantage of HS is for the mid-level player looking at mid-level colleges using HS accolades to maybe gain an edge over the next mid-level player. Top programs don't particularly care about school accolades, I mean State/Gatorade POY and All-American are nice and look pretty in the bio, but "missed HS season due to NT committments" looks better, lol.
                                Top GDA players who are playing HS are most likely just doing it for the social experience.
                                National recognition probably affects less then a dozen players in all of NY state. THeir parents very likely read and post on here as most people dont even bother with a chat forum like this.

                                But for most high level players, the recruitment process or the college application process is not like that of the minuscule handful and those stories are not useful.

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