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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Aside from Berkshire and Worcester Academy who recruit for the sport, I don't see a big difference between the rest of the best in private or public.
    One big difference between the two, at least regarding boys, is that the age of the private school player is older, on average, as many kids repeat a year.
    Completely wrong. On the boys side, ISL programs like Milton Academy, Rivers, Brooks, Middlesex, Bel Hill, Nobles etc. attract top end local players year in and year out. These teams would crush MIAA D1 teams, because they recruit like mad and have professional or highly experienced coaches. The boarding schools have international players that play for their youth national teams or come from Right to Dream, etc. They use 3 officials instead of 2 in public, and they are usually MUCH better, because they are paid much more (so they attract NCAA officials). They play 90 minutes instead of 80 like Publics, and they don’t play with bizzare made up rules like timeouts. The fields and facilities are all incredible (often pristine grass or relatively new turf), unlike many publics. College coaches come to games, and these programs play a couple of college showcases each fall which is totally foreign to Publics. There simply is no comparison. The bottom few ISL programs (Govs, Thayer, St. Sebs, St. George’s) would probably be more in line with D1 MIAA.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      The bottom few uISL programs (Govs, Thayer, St. Sebs, St. George’s) would probably be more in line with D1 MIAA.
      They would get destroyed by middle of the pack D1 schools.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Do you think this might have something to do with seniority? Do public schools tend to give priority to older students who have been in the program a few years over stronger, younger players, where as private schools choose player quality over grade level?
        I don't think it's a seniority thing. Rather, I believe its a "density" thing. A higher % of kids at the private schools are real athletes vs. the population at public schools.

        Plus, they are obligated to play multiple sports (in most cases), so that's how you get a D1 hockey stud subbing in for a holding midfielder during the soccer season. Don't forget - lots of these really good athletes played soccer for quite a few years before choosing lacrosse, hockey, basketball, etc. for their focus. Their skills may not be current and they're rusty in August, but they catch up quickly and can be very effective by end of the season.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          They would get destroyed by middle of the pack D1 schools.
          Agreed that those bottom four would get destroyed by D1 Public schools. However, I agree with the previous poster that the better ISL programs would destroy the top D1 public school teams. It’s not really a fair comparison when you factor in the international kids, DA kids getting waivers (or simply not rostering until Thanksgiving), and the level of recruiting. Middlesex, Milton, Rivers, Brooks, etc. should destroy top public school teams. They dont have the same restrictions in terms of building their rosters. Look at Milton Academy. It seems like every year they get a new Jamaican u17 National Team player every year. Middlesex got a Right To Dream kid that is only a sophomore and still can’t be contained. Non ISL NEPSAC teams like Millbrook get the National Gatorade Player of the Year player from Ghana. He’s off to Stanford to play next fall if he doesn’t decide to turn pro instead. Rivers has an All American local player and the NEPSAC Rookie of the year, because the coach is a recruiting machine and senior guy from GPS. Nobles has HR and MB, who shine in DA and don’t have to roster with the Bolts until after the fall season. Same with Milton and AF with the Revs. How is a strong public school team supposed to compete with an unlevel playing field?

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            They would get destroyed by middle of the pack D1 schools.
            From my perspective on the girls' side, the lower level private school teams would get rocked by average D1 teams. The weaker privates have only a couple good players (i.e., recruitable), whereas a D1 public with a youth program would have the depth and overall skill to handle them easily. Lots of experienced players with average skill will beat a team with a couple of good players and nothing else to support them.

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              #21
              Same with the boys. The top half of ISL girls would destroy any public school team.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Same with the boys. The top half of ISL girls would destroy any public school team.
                The top 3 ISL teams could beat many D3 and some D2 college teams.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  The top 3 ISL teams could beat many D3 and some D2 college teams.
                  Are you talking boys or girls?

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Completely wrong. On the boys side, ISL programs like Milton Academy, Rivers, Brooks, Middlesex, Bel Hill, Nobles etc. attract top end local players year in and year out. These teams would crush MIAA D1 teams, because they recruit like mad and have professional or highly experienced coaches. The boarding schools have international players that play for their youth national teams or come from Right to Dream, etc. They use 3 officials instead of 2 in public, and they are usually MUCH better, because they are paid much more (so they attract NCAA officials). They play 90 minutes instead of 80 like Publics, and they don’t play with bizzare made up rules like timeouts. The fields and facilities are all incredible (often pristine grass or relatively new turf), unlike many publics. College coaches come to games, and these programs play a couple of college showcases each fall which is totally foreign to Publics. There simply is no comparison. The bottom few ISL programs (Govs, Thayer, St. Sebs, St. George’s) would probably be more in line with D1 MIAA.
                    Someone's getting a little carried away. The facilities and fields aren't always incredible, although many are pretty nice. I guarantee that ISL games have more than their share of atrocious refereeing. And college coaches may attend occasionally, if there's a particular player they're recruiting, but they're pretty rare other than at the showcases.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Someone's getting a little carried away. The facilities and fields aren't always incredible, although many are pretty nice. I guarantee that ISL games have more than their share of atrocious refereeing. And college coaches may attend occasionally, if there's a particular player they're recruiting, but they're pretty rare other than at the showcases.
                      The showcases alone are reason enough to go ISL over public.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Someone's getting a little carried away. The facilities and fields aren't always incredible, although many are pretty nice. I guarantee that ISL games have more than their share of atrocious refereeing. And college coaches may attend occasionally, if there's a particular player they're recruiting, but they're pretty rare other than at the showcases.
                        Easy enough to complain about the referees in any sport (at any level), but the 3 Referee system is much better than 2, and the ISL refereeing is generally better than average (but you are correct - certainly not perfect). In terms of facilities, the prep school fields are pretty phenomenal. Not all are perfect (Milton - Grass and BB&N - turf are both small), but by and large the prep school fields (and overall facilities) blow away public schools, and many college facilities ($$$ / endowment will do that). In terms of college coaches, the showcases, the NEPSAC tournament, and the JR and SR NEPSAC and WNEPSSA all star games draw big crowds, and it is also not uncommon to see college coaches at regular season games (to see specific players).

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Easy enough to complain about the referees in any sport (at any level), but the 3 Referee system is much better than 2, and the ISL refereeing is generally better than average (but you are correct - certainly not perfect). In terms of facilities, the prep school fields are pretty phenomenal. Not all are perfect (Milton - Grass and BB&N - turf are both small), but by and large the prep school fields (and overall facilities) blow away public schools, and many college facilities ($$$ / endowment will do that). In terms of college coaches, the showcases, the NEPSAC tournament, and the JR and SR NEPSAC and WNEPSSA all star games draw big crowds, and it is also not uncommon to see college coaches at regular season games (to see specific players).
                          The Milton grass and BBN turf still meet the minimum NCAA field size requirements. Refs in ISL are spotty at best. Many don't understand the offside rule. Others don't get that soccer is a contact sport and others the opposite- think it's like rugby! I imagine it's the same or worse in public schools.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Are you talking boys or girls?
                            Girls

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Agreed that those bottom four would get destroyed by D1 Public schools. However, I agree with the previous poster that the better ISL programs would destroy the top D1 public school teams. It’s not really a fair comparison when you factor in the international kids, DA kids getting waivers (or simply not rostering until Thanksgiving), and the level of recruiting. Middlesex, Milton, Rivers, Brooks, etc. should destroy top public school teams. They dont have the same restrictions in terms of building their rosters. Look at Milton Academy. It seems like every year they get a new Jamaican u17 National Team player every year. Middlesex got a Right To Dream kid that is only a sophomore and still can’t be contained. Non ISL NEPSAC teams like Millbrook get the National Gatorade Player of the Year player from Ghana. He’s off to Stanford to play next fall if he doesn’t decide to turn pro instead. Rivers has an All American local player and the NEPSAC Rookie of the year, because the coach is a recruiting machine and senior guy from GPS. Nobles has HR and MB, who shine in DA and don’t have to roster with the Bolts until after the fall season. Same with Milton and AF with the Revs. How is a strong public school team supposed to compete with an unlevel playing field?
                              AF (Milton Academy) never played for the Revs. He's a U17 Bolts academy player.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                The Milton grass and BBN turf still meet the minimum NCAA field size requirements. Refs in ISL are spotty at best. Many don't understand the offside rule. Others don't get that soccer is a contact sport and others the opposite- think it's like rugby! I imagine it's the same or worse in public schools.
                                To say that many referees don’t understand the offside rule is a ridiculous statement. I would guess that they know the rule much better than you do.

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