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Not a coach, tool; the only players I'm concerned about are my own kids. The evidence is right here in this forum; arrogant rich parents boasting about how they can afford things that make them and their kid the best.



DA is an excellent platform for getting into college, both Timbers and Thorns provide a lot of assistance with that. They know most of the kids that go through their program won't be turning pro, and that college is a fallback position for many of them. (Or they might go to college and then pro after that, although this pathway is less common, as players who wait until graduating will be a lot further behind).

ECNL is arguably a better program if your DD is a marginal player who needs to attend cattle calls to get recruited. If she is solid D1 material, it doesn't really matter where she plays club soccer. The only other advantage is that at some age groups, such as CU's 03 team, there is a critical mass of players on the team and practices will be more intense than at other club teams where there may a bigger variation in talent on the roster. But such teams aren't unique to ECNL; joining Salmon Creek or CU or THUSC simply because some other age group than your DD is at, does not guarantee good results. (And if you try to join an already-solid team, chances are that your DD won't make that cut).

Traveling can be fun, and some families enjoy the experience. But anyone who tells you that being on an ECNL team is necessary to either be considered elite or receive elite level training, is a liar and/or a fool. It's a college recruiting platform, first and foremost. The coaching isn't really any better than anywhere else; find a coach you like and who your daughter responds to.

And as always, caveat emptor. Your kid only has one childhood.
Wishful thinking.... DA has already failed. If it were an excellent platform, top clubs from across the country would not drop out.
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Wishful thinking.... DA has already failed. If it were an excellent platform, top clubs from across the country would not drop out.
Failed to do what, exactly?

If you say it has failed to destroy ECNL--true, it hasn't accomplished that. But that was never its purpose, as much as the paranoid morons at US Club Soccer may think otherwise. There's no reason the two platforms cannot and should not co-exist, given that (as you admit) they serve different purposes: one is mainly about college prep and recruiting, the other is about identifying and training professionals and international-caliber players. The DA has higher technical standards, including asking players to refrain from playing organized scholastic bootball, as well as imposing standards on the coaching staff. Complying with these requirements is both expensive for clubs and unpopular with many families; and given the limited professional opportunities for women (compared to the ample scholarship opportunities afforded by Title IX), it is unsurprising that many girls prefer to not participate in DA programs, and many clubs have returned to ECNL and are thus saving money by not having to run full-year programs, record matches and submit to technical evaluation, or hire A-licensed coaches.

The DA has succeeded mightily in one regard: it has broken the ECNL monopoly on college recruiting. Many of the best prospects are in the DA and college coaches know it, from Anson Dorrance (himself a frequent DA skeptic) on down; the days in which lazy coaches could simply attend ECNL cattle calls and call it good are over.

And while the Thorns may be lacking in quality--if they want to be more than just another youth club, they need to be free rather than at the pricepoint they currently are--many of the top girls' programs in the country remain in the DA.
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Failed to do what, exactly?

If you say it has failed to destroy ECNL--true, it hasn't accomplished that. But that was never its purpose, as much as the paranoid morons at US Club Soccer may think otherwise. There's no reason the two platforms cannot and should not co-exist, given that (as you admit) they serve different purposes: one is mainly about college prep and recruiting, the other is about identifying and training professionals and international-caliber players. The DA has higher technical standards, including asking players to refrain from playing organized scholastic bootball, as well as imposing standards on the coaching staff. Complying with these requirements is both expensive for clubs and unpopular with many families; and given the limited professional opportunities for women (compared to the ample scholarship opportunities afforded by Title IX), it is unsurprising that many girls prefer to not participate in DA programs, and many clubs have returned to ECNL and are thus saving money by not having to run full-year programs, record matches and submit to technical evaluation, or hire A-licensed coaches.

The DA has succeeded mightily in one regard: it has broken the ECNL monopoly on college recruiting. Many of the best prospects are in the DA and college coaches know it, from Anson Dorrance (himself a frequent DA skeptic) on down; the days in which lazy coaches could simply attend ECNL cattle calls and call it good are over.

And while the Thorns may be lacking in quality--if they want to be more than just another youth club, they need to be free rather than at the pricepoint they currently are--many of the top girls' programs in the country remain in the DA.
Not exactly sure what was so bad about ECNL ( “cattle calls” as you called them ) . Now as before the bulk of talent is in ECNL and it is run buy business and marketing people; for the kids and college coaches. But many options are always better then one. If a less competitive show pony is your choice then ride it I guess.
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Not exactly sure what was so bad about ECNL ( “cattle calls” as you called them ) . Now as before the bulk of talent is in ECNL and it is run buy business and marketing people; for the kids and college coaches. But many options are always better then one. If a less competitive show pony is your choice then ride it I guess.
When the DA was not an option for the best clubs in the country, us club & usys had all of the talent in their leagues. Nowadays talent is spread across the nation divided between DA, USYS & US Club, which makes showcases much less attractive to college coaches to attend. At the same time Title IX aid is growing each year with more schools being forced to make allocations to off the radar sports like women's soccer. Competitive is relative term.
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Not exactly sure what was so bad about ECNL ( “cattle calls” as you called them ) . Now as before the bulk of talent is in ECNL and it is run buy business and marketing people; for the kids and college coaches. But many options are always better then one. If a less competitive show pony is your choice then ride it I guess.
ECNL is fine for what it is, except for the issue that it was trying to corner the market on the college recruiting pipeline and cut USYSA teams out of the process. (For some reason, US Club Soccer has a rather hostile attitude towards its rival youth organization). That, and it catered almost exclusively to wealthier girls, cutting poor families (who can't afford expensive travel, and might be the ones most in need of an athletic scholarship to attend college) out of the process.

ECNL did not adequately prepare girls well for international play. You are correct that for most, international play is not a concern, but there are some who have that as a goal, even if it is a goal that most will fail to reach. (The boys' side is no different; most male players, including those at MLS academies, will never be capped with the senior NT or sign a first team contract).

The presence of GDA helps to solve both problems--US Soccer can impose their technical standards on clubs in the DA, and now college coaches (poor them) can't simply limit themselves to scouting ECNL showcases, they have to pound pavement. Families thus have more choices, which is generally beneficial. Plus those that prefer ECNL can still do it; US Soccer has never attempted to shut down ECNL; they've simply offered an alternate program that some clubs, including some top ones, have chosen instead.

Unfortunately, ECNL and US Club act as though they won't be happy unless the GDA is closed down, or made irrelevant. Their conduct suggests that they really want to be a monopoly, and won't be happy if they simply are just another platform choice. It seems that many involved, including quite a few of the local club coaches, want to be able to walk up to a talented player and be able to tell her that her chances of getting a college scholarship will be low unless she quits her current club and joins theirs. And a few years ago, that's where we were heading. But today, girls and parents can laugh at such nonsense, and find the club and environment that suits them best (which might be ECNL but might not be).

Freedom of choice is a wonderful thing. Don't be the sort of tool that thinks that your choices are the only right ones, and that competing choices should be taken away.
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Freedom of choice is a wonderful thing. Don't be the sort of tool that thinks that your choices are the only right ones, and that competing choices should be taken away.
Hate speech! You should issue a trigger warning first before you say things like this. You are in the Oregon section.
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ECNL and GDA are both simply another option. Options are good. Every year, girls from OYSA travel teams (which are expensive just like ecnl and gda) get recruited to play at D1 and on down colleges. The 3 paths are more similar than different. It’s not a matter of which path is better, it’s a matter of which path is best for your daughters and your family.
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Hate speech! You should issue a trigger warning first before you say things like this. You are in the Oregon section.
Somehow, I think this is an unhinged (and irrelevant) political rant, but I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.
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Somehow, I think this is an unhinged (and irrelevant) political rant, but I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.
Not unhinged and not political (although the same problem comes up in politics). Just highlighting my agreement in that statement (satirically). Seems like a big problem in our society that my opinion is truth and I should demonize anyone with a different opinion.
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With free benefits to be had (title ix girls soccer aid) and a big chunk of it available to nearly every & any girl with interest (talent is really not so important) artisans like US Club Soccer have tried to capitalize on this, they must realize it's just plain impossible to monopolize, just too much aid out there. Now that their sham pitches have been exposed and nobody cares what league you play in DA, US Club, USYS or HS they must try and defend the practice of travel. Good Luck with that.
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