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    #31
    I like the Idea of a USL team. That is a real up and coming league and is well-established. I think the guy's numbers are high but I suspect the team could probably draw 2500 to 3k consistently. Better if they were doing well in the standings. Connecticut only likes winning teams. The fact he is looking for State/City $ is a real danger sign though.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      You must not get around too much. In cities all across America, once old , crumbling areas and neighborhoods are coming alive again. The allure of suburban living escapes many younger and even older people. Starting with the Stadium rebuild is a step in the right direction. People are looking for more things to do within the cities, more options , activities and events.

      These types of developments provide affordable entertainment and accessibility without having to drive several hours. This represents what a soccer culture can look like when an effort is made. Europe is full of stadiums like this.

      Regardless of your opinion of employment opportunities, " low paying jobs " are still jobs, and there are people who will be interested . 65 % of the state population doesn't have a College Degree , and those people contribute to the economy in many ways. Indeed, [art of the future of the sate is to provide Equal Opportunity no matter what your educational credentials.
      The area where Dillon stadium is, is hardly a neighborhood. There is no residential to speak of there and no place to go out before or after a game. 500 people will drive down, watch a game, and then leave and they wont spend another nickel in Hartford. Most suburbanites will (wisely) lock the car doors as they drive into and out of that neighborhood. Having 3 or 4 games there a month will reviatlize nothing except for the developers' bank accounts. Sorry, another waste of $10M. I don't see it either.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        The area where Dillon stadium is, is hardly a neighborhood. There is no residential to speak of there and no place to go out before or after a game. 500 people will drive down, watch a game, and then leave and they wont spend another nickel in Hartford. Most suburbanites will (wisely) lock the car doors as they drive into and out of that neighborhood. Having 3 or 4 games there a month will reviatlize nothing except for the developers' bank accounts. Sorry, another waste of $10M. I don't see it either.
        Well, or you could consider there are the Arch Street Taverm Bear's Smokehouse, Capital Grille, Spotlight Movie Theatre, the Marriott, the Science Centre, and etc.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Well, or you could consider there are the Arch Street Taverm Bear's Smokehouse, Capital Grille, Spotlight Movie Theatre, the Marriott, the Science Centre, and etc.
          That is not the same neighborhood as Dillon stadium. That is the convention center area. No one goes from downtown area over to convention center area, so no one will venture over to convention center area from Dillon Stadium .... you certainly can't walk over a mile without an armed guard and no one is driving down there to eat or drink when you also have to find a place to park, PLEASE .... definitely not at night! One group is delighted that suburbanites will be coming dow to Dillon stadium in their volvo and saabs .... the thieves that smadh-and-grab down there. Please leave your keys in your cars like you do at home, it will save us time and help us out a great deal.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            That is not the same neighborhood as Dillon stadium. That is the convention center area. No one goes from downtown area over to convention center area, so no one will venture over to convention center area from Dillon Stadium .... you certainly can't walk over a mile without an armed guard and no one is driving down there to eat or drink when you also have to find a place to park, PLEASE .... definitely not at night! One group is delighted that suburbanites will be coming dow to Dillon stadium in their volvo and saabs .... the thieves that smadh-and-grab down there. Please leave your keys in your cars like you do at home, it will save us time and help us out a great deal.
            Saabs? Saab has been defunct since 2011-12. None of the OW crowd are driving those any more. Probably, these aging used vehicles are driven by precisely the kind of reasonable human being who would take advantage of the aforementioned businesses.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              That is not the same neighborhood as Dillon stadium. That is the convention center area. No one goes from downtown area over to convention center area, so no one will venture over to convention center area from Dillon Stadium .... you certainly can't walk over a mile without an armed guard and no one is driving down there to eat or drink when you also have to find a place to park, PLEASE .... definitely not at night! One group is delighted that suburbanites will be coming dow to Dillon stadium in their volvo and saabs .... the thieves that smadh-and-grab down there. Please leave your keys in your cars like you do at home, it will save us time and help us out a great deal.
              Saab’s!! So funny, I can’t even take it. Maybe there will be some sweet VW Cabriolet’s they could steal CD players out of too. Are you Rip Van Winkle or something?

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                The area where Dillon stadium is, is hardly a neighborhood. There is no residential to speak of there and no place to go out before or after a game. 500 people will drive down, watch a game, and then leave and they wont spend another nickel in Hartford. Most suburbanites will (wisely) lock the car doors as they drive into and out of that neighborhood. Having 3 or 4 games there a month will reviatlize nothing except for the developers' bank accounts. Sorry, another waste of $10M. I don't see it either.
                If you are the same person responding, you still don't get it. Development occurs area by area , and then those areas become linked by additional development over a period of time.
                And regardless of your views on what 500 people may or may not do, aren't the citizens of Hartford entitled to facilities and activities ? How about the people and businesses in Hartford, they pay taxes ? How else to you start to make a better city ?

                " the developer's bank accounts" Like profit is a dirty word. It amazes me sometimes on this board , the griping about investors and businesses that take risks in the soccer community and elsewhere. Complain, complain, complain.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  If you are the same person responding, you still don't get it. Development occurs area by area , and then those areas become linked by additional development over a period of time.
                  And regardless of your views on what 500 people may or may not do, aren't the citizens of Hartford entitled to facilities and activities ? How about the people and businesses in Hartford, they pay taxes ? How else to you start to make a better city ?

                  " the developer's bank accounts" Like profit is a dirty word. It amazes me sometimes on this board , the griping about investors and businesses that take risks in the soccer community and elsewhere. Complain, complain, complain.
                  If I were a Hartford tax payer I'm not sure I'd want my $ going towards a stadium. Yes development is needed, but so are better schools, roads and other basics. State and local coffers are filled with dust. When you have nothing to spend you have to prioritize. This isn't something that will bring in enough development to justify the $ necessary.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    If I were a Hartford tax payer I'm not sure I'd want my $ going towards a stadium. Yes development is needed, but so are better schools, roads and other basics. State and local coffers are filled with dust. When you have nothing to spend you have to prioritize. This isn't something that will bring in enough development to justify the $ necessary.

                    You really don't know anything about this subject, do you ? Do you know how bonds work ? Do you see the equal risk by the developer ?



                    The state bond commission signed off on the $10 million public subsidy for the stadium in February. Gov Dannel P. Malloy called the facility “dangerous” and said that if the state didn’t back the renovation, the Hartford landmark would have to be torn down. Half of the stadium’s bleachers have been cordoned off with orange fencing and deemed unsafe. Weeds grow through the metal benches and the concession stands have fallen into disrepair.

                    Hartford Sports Group, a company led by Woodbridge businessman Bruce Mandell, has offered to put up $7 million to $10 million for the creation of a new soccer team. The club will be part of the United Soccer League and begin playing at Dillon in spring 2019.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      You really don't know anything about this subject, do you ? Do you know how bonds work ? Do you see the equal risk by the developer ?



                      The state bond commission signed off on the $10 million public subsidy for the stadium in February. Gov Dannel P. Malloy called the facility “dangerous” and said that if the state didn’t back the renovation, the Hartford landmark would have to be torn down. Half of the stadium’s bleachers have been cordoned off with orange fencing and deemed unsafe. Weeds grow through the metal benches and the concession stands have fallen into disrepair.

                      Hartford Sports Group, a company led by Woodbridge businessman Bruce Mandell, has offered to put up $7 million to $10 million for the creation of a new soccer team. The club will be part of the United Soccer League and begin playing at Dillon in spring 2019.
                      lol that's a year from now. think they're going to pull that off? Sounds like that supposed Bridgeport casino development plan that went nowhere once the bean counters got involved

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        lol that's a year from now. think they're going to pull that off? Sounds like that supposed Bridgeport casino development plan that went nowhere once the bean counters got involved
                        Additional indications that you clearly don't know what you are talking about. The casino issues are not related, and are a completely different scenario for a myriad of reasons.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Additional indications that you clearly don't know what you are talking about. The casino issues are not related, and are a completely different scenario for a myriad of reasons.
                          Except that CT is a small state (and getting smaller as more people move out and fewer move in to replace them) and it's tough to make much of anything work unless you can draw in people from outside the state. Not sure soccer is going to do it.

                          not him btw

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Except that CT is a small state (and getting smaller as more people move out and fewer move in to replace them) and it's tough to make much of anything work unless you can draw in people from outside the state. Not sure soccer is going to do it.

                            not him btw
                            Hartford and the immediate area is the perfect location for smaller, " minor league " venues and events. Affordable with reasonable travel times compared to driving over 2 hours to Boston or New York. There is enough of a population base here to support those type of facilities.

                            Everyone I talk to that has gone to the Yard goats games have expressed that it was an enjoyable affordable experience. If soccer isn't the answer, the stadium would still be there to be used. There is a strong soccer community in the Hartford area and perhaps this will be what many of them would be happy to see and support. Like I said earlier, these types of stadiums , with local Clubs and teams , are all over Europe. The only pure " soccer only stadium " nearby is in Ludlow. Perhaps you should take a ride up there this season and see the type of crowds they get and the atmosphere.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              You really don't know anything about this subject, do you ? Do you know how bonds work ? Do you see the equal risk by the developer ?



                              The state bond commission signed off on the $10 million public subsidy for the stadium in February. Gov Dannel P. Malloy called the facility “dangerous” and said that if the state didn’t back the renovation, the Hartford landmark would have to be torn down. Half of the stadium’s bleachers have been cordoned off with orange fencing and deemed unsafe. Weeds grow through the metal benches and the concession stands have fallen into disrepair.

                              Hartford Sports Group, a company led by Woodbridge businessman Bruce Mandell, has offered to put up $7 million to $10 million for the creation of a new soccer team. The club will be part of the United Soccer League and begin playing at Dillon in spring 2019.
                              You don't know how this works do you? The state is now on the hook for $10M and it simply doesn't matter what the developer puts up. Does the developer guarantee for this project to recoup those costs? Front Street is supposed to have about 100 business now and be totally redeveloped. They put in a movie theater and called it quits because everyone backed out. Even if all goes well, how does the state possibly recoup $10M on a very minor league soccer team drawing less than 1000 paying customers for a handful of games that are in and out of Dillon stadium without spending another nickel in the surrounding neighborhood? The city and state can not keep ******* money away on the state tax payers' dime )or Hartford taxpayers' dime either)! Both the city and state are basically broke! Why can't we try to decrease spending to help make ends meet?

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                You don't know how this works do you? The state is now on the hook for $10M and it simply doesn't matter what the developer puts up. Does the developer guarantee for this project to recoup those costs? Front Street is supposed to have about 100 business now and be totally redeveloped. They put in a movie theater and called it quits because everyone backed out. Even if all goes well, how does the state possibly recoup $10M on a very minor league soccer team drawing less than 1000 paying customers for a handful of games that are in and out of Dillon stadium without spending another nickel in the surrounding neighborhood? The city and state can not keep ******* money away on the state tax payers' dime )or Hartford taxpayers' dime either)! Both the city and state are basically broke! Why can't we try to decrease spending to help make ends meet?
                                So what would you have done demolish the stadium. That would probably cost a couple of a million dollars alone. In addition to it being an empty lot of years.

                                At least we get a stadium to be used for high school sports, graduations, community events, etc in addition to a minor league soccer team(s)

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