NCAA Dead Period

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[QUOTE=Unregistered;2800989]Colleges aren’t totally locked up. If a recruit wants to do an unofficial visit, they can get in their car and go there and just walk around.

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Not really true, most schools are not allowing visitors. Even parents are not allowed after drop off.

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It is the hand mine was dealt too. He’s not happy but he’s getting offers and attention despite the situation. It’s wont be his last obstacle. Taught him nothing is given and life is always changing

It's good that you are getting offers. We started a bit too late. Not able to be seen in the spring and all summer ID camps being cancelled absolutely destroyed our plans.

Coaches are telling him that they will know more in the next couple weeks. They aren't sure which players will defer a year so that they can get all 4 years in. Once they know who defers then they will have a better idea how many spots they will have.

Good luck...

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Agree with everything you say, but I was responding to the comment about feeling pressured to commit without the benefit of a visit. “Pressured” is a little melodramatic. The majority of prospective students don’t get the benefit of the sleep over, behind the scenes look at the school that athletes do. These athletes will just have to suck it up and make their decision like the non-athletes that get the one hour walk around tour.

Like I said, if you are really interested in a school, then take the time and visit regardless of how little you might be able to see. Take the soccer out of the equation and just look at the environment and facilities and ask yourself if you could see yourself there.

Using the term "pressured" is not being melodramatic at all, just factual. There are plenty of coaches who made offers to their top 2022s in June, and gave them deadlines to accept, fully knowing they can't even visit. It's difficult for players/parents to walk away from offers even in the best of circumstances, but now with all the uncertainty, even more-so. We would not require an answer from a player given the current climate, until they can properly visit. The ones who are deadlining kids are absolutely pressuring them into committing, no two ways about it. It goes back to my previous post about there currently being 650 (actually 708 as of today) players in the women's soccer transfer portal from just this year! One of the top reasons is players not being analytical and thoughtful enough in their process, and forced to make decisions too early.

Also, I would beg to differ about the depth of the decision process being different for athletes. Division 1 athletes are essentially committing to a 40 hour per week job. They will spend 90% of their waking hours with their team, their coaches, their trainers. They will spend more time at their athletic facilities than in their dorms, and for many, will even eat meals separately with their team.

Regular students will have thousands of other students from whom to find their peer group, but with athletes, your team is your family, and if you don't fit in then it's not going to be a very pleasant experience. You are stuck with that one team and coaching staff. Academics and getting a degree is obviously the end goal, but to Athletes, the experience they have with their team, having dedicated their whole life to achieving this goal is pretty darn important, and a decision that requires lots of time and attention---which currently is not possible in light of the dead period. We put a ton of time and attention into recruiting good "fits" for our team (in addition to good soccer players), and we want our recruits to have done a thorough job to ensure they want to be in our program as much as we want them to.

And yes, always take soccer out of the equation to make sure you would be happy at the school in the absence of it, but go to any length possible to get to know the team and staff very carefully.

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Agree with everything you say, but I was responding to the comment about feeling pressured to commit without the benefit of a visit. “Pressured” is a little melodramatic. The majority of prospective students don’t get the benefit of the sleep over, behind the scenes look at the school that athletes do. These athletes will just have to suck it up and make their decision like the non-athletes that get the one hour walk around tour.

Like I said, if you are really interested in a school, then take the time and visit regardless of how little you might be able to see. Take the soccer out of the equation and just look at the environment and facilities and ask yourself if you could see yourself there.

Without any visits allowed, not even regular school tours non athletes take, that is impossible. My BIL has one hour to drop his D off at her dorm and he has to leave campus. They're planning like it's the invasion of Normandy.

Yes academic and social fit should always be the most important. But with athletes meeting the coach and staff and other teammates is also very important since sports will consume a good part of their lives. There's often quite a bit of $ involved as well.

Coaches know this year is a mess and will try to be understanding - up to a point. But they need to know and will move on at some point. It's unfair of you to claim athletes aren't feeling pressured since 1) you're not one 2) even if you were, you aren't representative of all.

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No offers went out and if they did and your kid accepted sight unseen ...lol .Transfer portal comin up

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Using the term "pressured" is not being melodramatic at all, just factual. There are plenty of coaches who made offers to their top 2022s in June, and gave them deadlines to accept, fully knowing they can't even visit. It's difficult for players/parents to walk away from offers even in the best of circumstances, but now with all the uncertainty, even more-so. We would not require an answer from a player given the current climate, until they can properly visit. The ones who are deadlining kids are absolutely pressuring them into committing, no two ways about it. It goes back to my previous post about there currently being 650 (actually 708 as of today) players in the women's soccer transfer portal from just this year! One of the top reasons is players not being analytical and thoughtful enough in their process, and forced to make decisions too early.

Also, I would beg to differ about the depth of the decision process being different for athletes. Division 1 athletes are essentially committing to a 40 hour per week job. They will spend 90% of their waking hours with their team, their coaches, their trainers. They will spend more time at their athletic facilities than in their dorms, and for many, will even eat meals separately with their team.

Regular students will have thousands of other students from whom to find their peer group, but with athletes, your team is your family, and if you don't fit in then it's not going to be a very pleasant experience. You are stuck with that one team and coaching staff. Academics and getting a degree is obviously the end goal, but to Athletes, the experience they have with their team, having dedicated their whole life to achieving this goal is pretty darn important, and a decision that requires lots of time and attention---which currently is not possible in light of the dead period. We put a ton of time and attention into recruiting good "fits" for our team (in addition to good soccer players), and we want our recruits to have done a thorough job to ensure they want to be in our program as much as we want them to.

And yes, always take soccer out of the equation to make sure you would be happy at the school in the absence of it, but go to any length possible to get to know the team and staff very carefully.

You talk with authority about the top reasons that players are in the transfer portal, but ultimately you don’t know. There’s are dozens of reasons they could be there other than making a pressured decision that wasn’t the right fit. It’s more likely they’ll be pressured into a bad decision in the transfer portal though. Does the NCAA doesn’t keep stats on why they’re in the transfer portal?

Say the dead period goes into spring 2021, how are you going to identify your 2022’s or 2023’s without talking to them or even seeing them play? At what point do you have to line up your commitments even if it’s not optimal?

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You talk with authority about the top reasons that players are in the transfer portal, but ultimately you don’t know. There’s are dozens of reasons they could be there other than making a pressured decision that wasn’t the right fit. It’s more likely they’ll be pressured into a bad decision in the transfer portal though. Does the NCAA doesn’t keep stats on why they’re in the transfer portal?

Say the dead period goes into spring 2021, how are you going to identify your 2022’s or 2023’s without talking to them or even seeing them play? At what point do you have to line up your commitments even if it’s not optimal?

At what point in all this madness do the scholarships completely dry up?

If teams aren’t playing and colleges are suffering financially does anyone really think they will be giving out scholarships? Seriously, think about it! The whole ECNL model could be blown up!

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At what point in all this madness do the scholarships completely dry up?

If teams aren’t playing and colleges are suffering financially does anyone really think they will be giving out scholarships? Seriously, think about it! The whole ECNL model could be blown up!

As long as schools have men's football scholarships there will be women's soccer scholarships. Soccer is the most popular female sport and it is an easy way to make Title 9 requirements. However, schools are taking a hard look at sports and that includes football. Not all football programs are U AL or Notre Dame, rakingin huge amounts of money. Lower level programs could easily cut 25 scholarships a team and cut 1-2 men's teams, then suddenly they don't have as many women's scholarship Title 9 requirements.

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You talk with authority about the top reasons that players are in the transfer portal, but ultimately you don’t know. There’s are dozens of reasons they could be there other than making a pressured decision that wasn’t the right fit. It’s more likely they’ll be pressured into a bad decision in the transfer portal though. Does the NCAA doesn’t keep stats on why they’re in the transfer portal?

Say the dead period goes into spring 2021, how are you going to identify your 2022’s or 2023’s without talking to them or even seeing them play? At what point do you have to line up your commitments even if it’s not optimal?

The important metric is whether or not the number is significantly higher vs prior years. 600+ may sound like a lot but consider there are several thousand players. Surprisingly transfers for women are half that of men's (about 10% vs 20% men) and soccer had less transfers than basketball

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No offers went out and if they did and your kid accepted sight unseen ...lol .Transfer portal comin up

The dead period will be extended until the end of the year

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The important metric is whether or not the number is significantly higher vs prior years. 600+ may sound like a lot but consider there are several thousand players. Surprisingly transfers for women are half that of men's (about 10% vs 20% men) and soccer had less transfers than basketball

Meant to add there is no way basketball and football will want the dead period to go much longer. They will pressure the NCAA to end it, but then they have the additional complication of their own campuses being closed.

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You talk with authority about the top reasons that players are in the transfer portal, but ultimately you don’t know. There’s are dozens of reasons they could be there other than making a pressured decision that wasn’t the right fit. It’s more likely they’ll be pressured into a bad decision in the transfer portal though. Does the NCAA doesn’t keep stats on why they’re in the transfer portal?

Say the dead period goes into spring 2021, how are you going to identify your 2022’s or 2023’s without talking to them or even seeing them play? At what point do you have to line up your commitments even if it’s not optimal?

No I don't know the precise reasons, and obviously all 700 weren't pressured into making commitments. But, with Women's Soccer being BY FAR the highest number of transfers of any sport, and also being the youngest age to commit, well that's not coincidental (Men's soccer has traditionally been a year plus later in the recruiting cycle than women's). The new rules have helped a bit, but as I said previously in some ways, have made it worse. Previously when Freshmen could commit, they could also at least do unofficial visits. Now, many are committing blindly come June 15.

We've already identified all our 2022s. We only need a small class fortunately this year. This past spring would've been critical in solidifying some of our assessments, as well as ID clinics, but in absence of that, we still feel pretty good about the group. But, the process is dynamic and there are always players coming into the picture, which likely won't happen now, so we'll have to go with what we have. We don't feel entirely comfortable committing players without them doing visits--both so we get a better feel of how they fit in chemistry wise, and also so they can be sure this is where they want to be. How that plays out is to be determined and will be interesting.

From what I've heard there is a pretty good chance the dead period will be extended through the end of the year. If they NCAA cancels championships (which is also rumored to be very likely), then extending the dead period would likely follow. More schools are shutting down completely (GWU was the latest to close campus for the fall as of yesterday), and that will increase the likelihood of dead period being extended because of wanting to create an even playing field.

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Not really an even playing field. Some schools have already identified their 2022 prospects, so it is good for those schools to extend the dead period so other schools can't catch up. Don't use "even playing field" as an excuse for curtailing a real even playing field by calling off the dead period.

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Womens soccer does not have the highest transfer rates and is slightly lower than the overall average of all sports (13%) . Mens soccer is actually higher and other sports are higher than soccer

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/...ers-division-i

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No I don't know the precise reasons, and obviously all 700 weren't pressured into making commitments. But, with Women's Soccer being BY FAR the highest number of transfers of any sport, and also being the youngest age to commit, well that's not coincidental (Men's soccer has traditionally been a year plus later in the recruiting cycle than women's). The new rules have helped a bit, but as I said previously in some ways, have made it worse. Previously when Freshmen could commit, they could also at least do unofficial visits. Now, many are committing blindly come June 15.

We've already identified all our 2022s. We only need a small class fortunately this year. This past spring would've been critical in solidifying some of our assessments, as well as ID clinics, but in absence of that, we still feel pretty good about the group. But, the process is dynamic and there are always players coming into the picture, which likely won't happen now, so we'll have to go with what we have. We don't feel entirely comfortable committing players without them doing visits--both so we get a better feel of how they fit in chemistry wise, and also so they can be sure this is where they want to be. How that plays out is to be determined and will be interesting.

From what I've heard there is a pretty good chance the dead period will be extended through the end of the year. If they NCAA cancels championships (which is also rumored to be very likely), then extending the dead period would likely follow. More schools are shutting down completely (GWU was the latest to close campus for the fall as of yesterday), and that will increase the likelihood of dead period being extended because of wanting to create an even playing field.

Wait a minute. You’ve identified all your 2022’s without the benefit of seeing them play this spring or visit during a dead period? And after all the high talk about not pressuring recruits are they already commited?