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    #46
    It may help a girl but it will certainly lower the boys game play . They will
    Naturally hold back from tackles and not be as physical . In a rose tinted world where all is equal that wouldn’t happen would it ?

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      #47
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      There was a post earlier about the elite top girl athletes in the nation being able to compete on an top boys soccer team. This scenario presumes the elite girl athlete has trained for soccer as their focus sport and is technically sound, so I am just addressing an athleticism comparison right now. While I do not believe a “team” of top girls could compete with a like minded boys team, most definitely individual girls can. A team of girls would have far too much variation on athleticism and the overall girls athletic average would be below a boys team’s athletic sum total average. A few facts though to consider: the average fast, not top finishers track and field in State, but a talented athletic boy can run a 100m in the high 11s to the low 12s. An elite girl can run from mid 11s to low 12s. Seems pretty even to me, maybe not with the fastest elite speed boys on a boys soccer team (who could hit high 10s), but pretty even with the majority of the boys and likely faster than some boys on the team. Factor in that boys have a more delayed transition to hitting their top speed and physicality, whereas girls typically achieve full maturity earlier than boys, a girl may start running her top speed by 15-16 years old and a boy it takes until later, closer to 17+. So YES to the Dad that posted a top girls team could not beat a top boys team, but that was not the point of the original post. During the development years of middle school thru majority of high school, an elite girl soccer player could successfully contribute, maybe even be a major contributor, to the collection of good boy athletes on a top boys soccer team. But don’t just take my word for it. You could check with Mirelle, Head of US National team scouting who grew up playing with boys in the Netherlands or Miriam Hickey head of US Girls Dec Academy who also played with boys growing up or oh wait Ada Hegerberg, winner of the first female Balon D’or 2018 who played and captained many years with a boys team in Norway, and while it was not an academy team, she continued to train with semi-professional boys, even when training with elite girls in Germany. And then there is Abby Wambach’s story training with boys. I could go on, there are Many other examples of elite girls playing with top boys during their development years. They do so because they can and it is in the best interests of their development. Simple.
      Abby Wambach is a freak of nature and played on a boy's team from 9 to 13.

      Ada Hegerberg played on a boy's team until 13 or 14.

      It is one thing to grow up playing with boys and it is another thing to be competing against top boys team at HS age.

      It is also one thing to train with semi-professional boys vs. playing in a game against semi-professional boys.

      The Reign play against the Sounder's U16 team and will typically lose by at least 3 goals and the Sounders are holding back on being overly physical.

      It is great for girls to be able to train with boys. It does not mean they can compete at an equal level.

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        #48
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Abby Wambach is a freak of nature and played on a boy's team from 9 to 13.

        Ada Hegerberg played on a boy's team until 13 or 14.

        It is one thing to grow up playing with boys and it is another thing to be competing against top boys team at HS age.

        It is also one thing to train with semi-professional boys vs. playing in a game against semi-professional boys.

        The Reign play against the Sounder's U16 team and will typically lose by at least 3 goals and the Sounders are holding back on being overly physical.

        It is great for girls to be able to train with boys. It does not mean they can compete at an equal level.
        I agree with the competing against team thing, i do not know why you keep going back there? I do not agree with the individual players or freaks if you must call them that. Crossfire Premier has some top girls train with their boys and they are in high school. Many top boys team across the nation have top girls train with them. Check out this article.

        https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...ltrie.amp.html

        Now do I think every top girl is an Olivia Moultrie? Heck no. But the reality is the US is a big wide country with top athletes spread across many sports. We are not Europe where majority of the top athletes girl or boy all focus on soccer. Girls and boys have many choices here. However, Unlike top boys who have almost zero access to a higher level to play with, top girls can and do have access to boys teams. And as the article suggests, the US is increasingly needing to be creative on how to keep our girls trained at a level that is competitive with the growing programs around the world. So again I say, top girls not top girls teams..... keep an open mind, many of them merit playing with top boys.

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          #49
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          I agree with the competing against team thing, i do not know why you keep going back there? I do not agree with the individual players or freaks if you must call them that. Crossfire Premier has some top girls train with their boys and they are in high school. Many top boys team across the nation have top girls train with them. Check out this article.

          https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...ltrie.amp.html

          Now do I think every top girl is an Olivia Moultrie? Heck no. But the reality is the US is a big wide country with top athletes spread across many sports. We are not Europe where majority of the top athletes girl or boy all focus on soccer. Girls and boys have many choices here. However, Unlike top boys who have almost zero access to a higher level to play with, top girls can and do have access to boys teams. And as the article suggests, the US is increasingly needing to be creative on how to keep our girls trained at a level that is competitive with the growing programs around the world. So again I say, top girls not top girls teams..... keep an open mind, many of them merit playing with top boys.

          Training - yes

          Competing in a game as an individual - no.. not on a top men’s team unless the guys are trying to be “nice” and let her train.

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            #50
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            I agree with the competing against team thing, i do not know why you keep going back there? I do not agree with the individual players or freaks if you must call them that. Crossfire Premier has some top girls train with their boys and they are in high school. Many top boys team across the nation have top girls train with them. Check out this article.

            https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...ltrie.amp.html

            Now do I think every top girl is an Olivia Moultrie? Heck no. But the reality is the US is a big wide country with top athletes spread across many sports. We are not Europe where majority of the top athletes girl or boy all focus on soccer. Girls and boys have many choices here. However, Unlike top boys who have almost zero access to a higher level to play with, top girls can and do have access to boys teams. And as the article suggests, the US is increasingly needing to be creative on how to keep our girls trained at a level that is competitive with the growing programs around the world. So again I say, top girls not top girls teams..... keep an open mind, many of them merit playing with top boys.
            Excuses, excuses . Even if the USA had only 5% of its sporting population play soccer that would probably be 10 times more players particiapating in soccer then let’s say Belgium ... why don’t you use that excuse when the USA female team wins the World Cup ? If you look at true participation numbers USA has one of the highest participation numbers in the world . But the men’s team is still useless due to the pay to play model and there being no true scouting network for the mls . They are unbelievabley lazy using pay to pay clubs like pac to fill a youth team where no Player ever gets into the first team .

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              #51
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Excuses, excuses . Even if the USA had only 5% of its sporting population play soccer that would probably be 10 times more players particiapating in soccer then let’s say Belgium ... why don’t you use that excuse when the USA female team wins the World Cup ? If you look at true participation numbers USA has one of the highest participation numbers in the world . But the men’s team is still useless due to the pay to play model and there being no true scouting network for the mls . They are unbelievabley lazy using pay to pay clubs like pac to fill a youth team where no Player ever gets into the first team .
              The issue is not pay to play on the men's side since it is also pay to play on the women's side.

              It comes down to getting tail. Football and basketball players get more tail than soccer players so if you are a boy that is what you are going to play. It comes down to the basics... Money, Sex, and Power. There is more Money and Sex in Football and Basketball.... probably more Power as well.

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                #52
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                GDA is not a bigger recruiting platform. That is not a reach. You can ask the college coaches who are doing the recruiting. Most actually prefer ECNL over GDA.
                Spoken like a true ECNL parent. Compare college lists for DA and ECNL and decide for yourself. If you want your DD to play D2, D3, NAIA - ECNL is a great bet.

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Spoken like a true ECNL parent. Compare college lists for DA and ECNL and decide for yourself. If you want your DD to play D2, D3, NAIA - ECNL is a great bet.
                  ECNL allows clubs to choose the showcases they attend so they have less teams at there showcases(usually 16 or 32 teams in each age group), unlike GDA where the clubs are REQUIRED to send all their teams to both National Showcases(80+ teams in each age group).

                  The GDA winter showcase had ~180 D1 schools on the attendance list to watch 80 clubs/age group. The Texas ECNL showcase had ~140 D1 schools on the attendance list to watch 32 or 16 clubs/age group.

                  You are full of shiznit, and keep drinking that GDA kool-aide.

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                    #54
                    It’s all bollox when recruiters only get to look at the most upper middle class kids in the country ! Who else can afford to fly to Texas ? 😂

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                      #55
                      What everyone is missing is if your son or daughter can really play then the colleges will find them. Doesn't matter what team or league they are playing in. Our freshman kid doesn't play da or ecnl currently and never has, yet is being recruited by multiple pac 12 schools already and a handful of colleges from midwest to east coast.

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Spoken like a true ECNL parent. Compare college lists for DA and ECNL and decide for yourself. If you want your DD to play D2, D3, NAIA - ECNL is a great bet.
                        Hey congrats on D1 at Portland State for your dd.
                        Sadly, my dd could only make D3 Pomona and MIT.
                        Such, such sadness and dark shame!
                        Oh, yeah it is all about college, even with DA and
                        their bs message about national team for the .0001%.
                        Maybe your kid can be a bartender for 8 years
                        and then become the New Green Queen.

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                          #57
                          Crossifre makes it official

                          Crossfire Premier Moving Top Girls Teams Back to ECNL for 2019/20 Season

                          As you know, we’ve spent the past two seasons with teams participating in both the U.S. Soccer Development Academy and the ECNL, but during this time we’ve increasingly recognized the need for Crossfire to choose a single pathway and commit to one or the other in the best interests of our club and players. After much internal deliberation, a thorough review of the national landscape, including conversations with clubs around the country, and after receiving input from our players and parents, we have decided that the ECNL offers the best possible solution for our club moving forward.*


                          The Development Academy was great for our teams and players in many ways, but we feel the ECNL offers several advantages: namely, a better competition structure with a more consistent and cohesive game schedule and a platform for player development that’s more in line with our club’s philosophies. Additionally, the ECNL does not prohibit our players from participating with their high-school teams and in other competitive events and programs. After two seasons of abiding by this restriction, we recognize how important it is for many of our players to be able to play for their schools and in other selected events and programs throughout the year. We want to provide that opportunity and allow our players the social benefits of playing with their classmates in front of their communities, the exposure of additional showcases, and the value of additional competitive experiences.*


                          At the same time, to address needs and desires of players of all aspiration, players who choose not to play high-school soccer will have several options during that season to continue training at a high level with Crossfire Premier, including training with the boys’ Development Academy teams.*


                          Moreover, regarding the structure of competition, the ECNL offers an ideal environment for the development of all of our players, without restrictive substitution rules that don’t allow reentry. This simple change gives our coaches greater opportunity to ensure adequate playing time for the entire roster and manage every player’s performance load more effectively. Beyond this, the club will no longer be restricted from participating in other outside competition and events, so we have more opportunity to plan a full competitive slate and provide our ECNL teams with appropriate competition all season long.*


                          The ECNL is also an enthusiastic of supporter of Crossfire Premier; they value our membership and have worked with our club since the inception of the league. Christian Lavers, ECNL President, explains, "Crossfire has been one of the very best clubs in the country for more than a decade, with a long history of developing players to be stars at every level of the game – in college, internationally, and in professional leagues across the world. In both men’s and women’s soccer,” he continued, "Crossfire has always worked to provide the best possible environment for their players, and has consistently made decisions to support long-term development of their players and teams.*We look forward to working with Crossfire leadership, supporting the Crossfire club, and providing a fantastic platform for their female players long into the future.”*


                          Lastly, this transition will in no way impact the financial commitment Crossfire has made and will continue to make towards developing our girls’ teams and players. As it stands, Crossfire is the only club in the country who fully-funds two Girls DA teams, funds all travel costs for two ECNL teams and provides scholarships to cover fees and travel for any players in need, while also providing funding for multiple international trips for girls’ teams each season. In selecting the ECNL as our sole developmental destination for our girls’ program, Crossfire is also committing to provide significant financial resources to the program, ensuring there remains no financial barrier to participation, and that the club maintains its status as a national leader in youth development and the number one source of high-level*soccer players in*the Pacific Northwest.*


                          Thank you for your continued support of Crossfire Premier, and for being a member of our club.*

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                            #58
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Crossfire Premier Moving Top Girls Teams Back to ECNL for 2019/20 Season

                            As you know, we’ve spent the past two seasons with teams participating in both the U.S. Soccer Development Academy and the ECNL, but during this time we’ve increasingly recognized the need for Crossfire to choose a single pathway and commit to one or the other in the best interests of our club and players. After much internal deliberation, a thorough review of the national landscape, including conversations with clubs around the country, and after receiving input from our players and parents, we have decided that the ECNL offers the best possible solution for our club moving forward.*


                            The Development Academy was great for our teams and players in many ways, but we feel the ECNL offers several advantages: namely, a better competition structure with a more consistent and cohesive game schedule and a platform for player development that’s more in line with our club’s philosophies. Additionally, the ECNL does not prohibit our players from participating with their high-school teams and in other competitive events and programs. After two seasons of abiding by this restriction, we recognize how important it is for many of our players to be able to play for their schools and in other selected events and programs throughout the year. We want to provide that opportunity and allow our players the social benefits of playing with their classmates in front of their communities, the exposure of additional showcases, and the value of additional competitive experiences.*


                            At the same time, to address needs and desires of players of all aspiration, players who choose not to play high-school soccer will have several options during that season to continue training at a high level with Crossfire Premier, including training with the boys’ Development Academy teams.*


                            Moreover, regarding the structure of competition, the ECNL offers an ideal environment for the development of all of our players, without restrictive substitution rules that don’t allow reentry. This simple change gives our coaches greater opportunity to ensure adequate playing time for the entire roster and manage every player’s performance load more effectively. Beyond this, the club will no longer be restricted from participating in other outside competition and events, so we have more opportunity to plan a full competitive slate and provide our ECNL teams with appropriate competition all season long.*


                            The ECNL is also an enthusiastic of supporter of Crossfire Premier; they value our membership and have worked with our club since the inception of the league. Christian Lavers, ECNL President, explains, "Crossfire has been one of the very best clubs in the country for more than a decade, with a long history of developing players to be stars at every level of the game – in college, internationally, and in professional leagues across the world. In both men’s and women’s soccer,” he continued, "Crossfire has always worked to provide the best possible environment for their players, and has consistently made decisions to support long-term development of their players and teams.*We look forward to working with Crossfire leadership, supporting the Crossfire club, and providing a fantastic platform for their female players long into the future.”*


                            Lastly, this transition will in no way impact the financial commitment Crossfire has made and will continue to make towards developing our girls’ teams and players. As it stands, Crossfire is the only club in the country who fully-funds two Girls DA teams, funds all travel costs for two ECNL teams and provides scholarships to cover fees and travel for any players in need, while also providing funding for multiple international trips for girls’ teams each season. In selecting the ECNL as our sole developmental destination for our girls’ program, Crossfire is also committing to provide significant financial resources to the program, ensuring there remains no financial barrier to participation, and that the club maintains its status as a national leader in youth development and the number one source of high-level*soccer players in*the Pacific Northwest.*


                            Thank you for your continued support of Crossfire Premier, and for being a member of our club.*
                            Link?

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                              #59
                              It was an email directly to all the parents of crossfire this morning. Not sure if they have a link up for it yet.

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                                #60
                                http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague....n-for-2019-20/

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