Seattle U17’s win GA Cup.

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Because they are going to get fleeced! Like when the local travel clubs pay local premier clubs to run their operations and the premier clubs simply take the money, take the best players, and then they get fired and leave the travel club in a very messy state. With this new set up, MLS clubs will take the best players from non-MLS clubs (they will see them every time they play) and then the non-MLS clubs will lose their best players, become substantially worse in terms of ability, and then watch the MLS club that stole their U17 player (that has been with them since U7) get signed to a big contract somewhere and get a fat solidarity check. Watch and learn. This new system is going to speed up the process on both sides of dissolution of DA soccer as we know it. Non-MLS clubs are about to get fleeced while picking up the check.

That happens already with no payments. USSF wants the top players move into the pro academies. Non MLS clubs don't operate teams at a loss - the worst case scenario is they are break even. Most will be making some money. No doubt they hate to lose top players but players that are MLS level talent should move. Ultimately they're a business like any other. If they left BDA then they lose their hook and have to compete with other clubs/leagues for talent only with more restrictions.

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That happens already with no payments. USSF wants the top players move into the pro academies. Non MLS clubs don't operate teams at a loss - the worst case scenario is they are break even. Most will be making some money. No doubt they hate to lose top players but players that are MLS level talent should move. Ultimately they're a business like any other. If they left BDA then they lose their hook and have to compete with other clubs/leagues for talent only with more restrictions.

This change is going to increase disparity between non-mls and mls clubs and make both sides even more unhappy to play each other (before it was MLS only that had a gripe), but now, after they cherry pick every non-mls roster and begin killing them on the field, they will have realized we have sucked out all of your money and since you have nothing left to give us (including talent), we do not need you. On the flip side, non-mls are going to get tired of losing players and not getting compensated. When they can not beat non-DA local teams, they will pay a heavy price. Who is going to choose to give up HS soccer and then pay a fortune to be on a glorified travel team?

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This change is going to increase disparity between non-mls and mls clubs and make both sides even more unhappy to play each other (before it was MLS only that had a gripe), but now, after they cherry pick every non-mls roster and begin killing them on the field, they will have realized we have sucked out all of your money and since you have nothing left to give us (including talent), we do not need you. On the flip side, non-mls are going to get tired of losing players and not getting compensated. When they can not beat non-DA local teams, they will pay a heavy price. Who is going to choose to give up HS soccer and then pay a fortune to be on a glorified travel team?

1. MLS already cherry-picks from other DA (and non-DA teams). This is factual and nothing changes.
2. Non-MLS clubs know this. They run their operations the same way they always have - knowing that not every kid wants to play HS, not every kid is talented enough to play on an MLS team, and very few kids really want to be pros.
3. MLS is requiring all MLS clubs fully fund their academies if they want solidarity and training compensation. Therefore, MLS academies will exist.
4. Therefore, MLS clubs will still want DA to exist to (a) recruit players, and (b) provide meaningful competition.
5. It's also not clear that training compensation wouldn't be owed even to a non-MLS pay-to-play operation. The Yedlin/Crossfire case will be telling.

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Because they are going to get fleeced! Like when the local travel clubs pay local premier clubs to run their operations and the premier clubs simply take the money, take the best players, and then they get fired and leave the travel club in a very messy state. With this new set up, MLS clubs will take the best players from non-MLS clubs (they will see them every time they play) and then the non-MLS clubs will lose their best players, become substantially worse in terms of ability, and then watch the MLS club that stole their U17 player (that has been with them since U7) get signed to a big contract somewhere and get a fat solidarity check. Watch and learn. This new system is going to speed up the process on both sides of dissolution of DA soccer as we know it. Non-MLS clubs are about to get fleeced while picking up the check.

Why would we not want the very best players to migrate, in however manner it happens, to the strongest clubs best able to help them advance as players?

Are you saying it more important for these very best players to remain with their local teams rather than aggregate to a smaller group of players, but far more capable of providing challenge and individual growth opportunity?


What exactly is your issue here?

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Why would we not want the very best players to migrate, in however manner it happens, to the strongest clubs best able to help them advance as players?

Are you saying it more important for these very best players to remain with their local teams rather than aggregate to a smaller group of players, but far more capable of providing challenge and individual growth opportunity?


What exactly is your issue here?

I just think it is going to put more non-mls academy teams into regular premier team levels making it nearly impossible for them to sell the dream later. Unless MLS teams compensate their new minor league counterparts, the minor league counterparts will face increased financial pressures and increased resistance to no-HS play. I dont think they will be able to stand it for more than a year or so.

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I just think it is going to put more non-mls academy teams into regular premier team levels making it nearly impossible for them to sell the dream later. Unless MLS teams compensate their new minor league counterparts, the minor league counterparts will face increased financial pressures and increased resistance to no-HS play. I dont think they will be able to stand it for more than a year or so.

So what if it does?

Why is this an issue?

Do you think youth soccer and some form of elite offerings are going to crumble and go away? Or does it all just continue to morph? How about two levels of Academy with promotion/relegation? Does it matter if kids return to high school soccer in greater numbers? Does it matter if they don't? Who is getting hurt here and denied opportunity?

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So what if it does?

Why is this an issue?

Do you think youth soccer and some form of elite offerings are going to crumble and go away? Or does it all just continue to morph? How about two levels of Academy with promotion/relegation? Does it matter if kids return to high school soccer in greater numbers? Does it matter if they don't? Who is getting hurt here and denied opportunity?

My point to another poster was that our solidarity payment system does not make us anything like the foreign systems. It applies here to only 20 clubs out of 3 million players. That makes it roughly .00000000000000000000001% of players. There is no onus for the clubs that will not get solidarity payments to give up their talent because they only get weaker and get no compensation. When this happens without restitution, it makes all of those clubs even angrier and they will resist even more and try to shelter and hoard their top talent as best they can (as opposed to a decent small club shopping a gem for his own best interest as well as their bottom line) .... in no way, shape or form does this get us anywhere near the rest of the world ... IMHO, it will just make a small group of MLS teams even more hated and smaller clubs will avoid them like the plague at some point for fear of getting raped for talent and profit.

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My point to another poster was that our solidarity payment system does not make us anything like the foreign systems. It applies here to only 20 clubs out of 3 million players. That makes it roughly .00000000000000000000001% of players. There is no onus for the clubs that will not get solidarity payments to give up their talent because they only get weaker and get no compensation. When this happens without restitution, it makes all of those clubs even angrier and they will resist even more and try to shelter and hoard their top talent as best they can (as opposed to a decent small club shopping a gem for his own best interest as well as their bottom line) .... in no way, shape or form does this get us anywhere near the rest of the world ... IMHO, it will just make a small group of MLS teams even more hated and smaller clubs will avoid them like the plague at some point for fear of getting raped for talent and profit.

So your perspective then is that most of these lesser clubs simply won't do what's in the best interest of their truly elite players? You believe the soccer people in these clubs are that myopic and selfish?

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My point to another poster was that our solidarity payment system does not make us anything like the foreign systems. It applies here to only 20 clubs out of 3 million players. That makes it roughly .00000000000000000000001% of players. There is no onus for the clubs that will not get solidarity payments to give up their talent because they only get weaker and get no compensation. When this happens without restitution, it makes all of those clubs even angrier and they will resist even more and try to shelter and hoard their top talent as best they can (as opposed to a decent small club shopping a gem for his own best interest as well as their bottom line) .... in no way, shape or form does this get us anywhere near the rest of the world ... IMHO, it will just make a small group of MLS teams even more hated and smaller clubs will avoid them like the plague at some point for fear of getting raped for talent and profit.

It has been said multiple times - MLS clubs will attract top players no matter what the lower level clubs do and no matter what the payment structure is. That's how a pyramid works - top players move into the upper echelon of clubs. Non MLS clubs aren't holding players hostage (well, some might try but it never works). How the non MLS clubs chose to handle that reality is their problem. But leaving would be foolish - then it's more like ECNL but with having to give up HS. Many non MLS DA clubs won't be able to compete

Payments are a good thing, even if it may be small at first. Right now MLS clubs have to spend hundreds of thousands training 60-100 players (depending on the # of teams) and they get almost nothing back for it. What's the incentive to devote time, dollars and management resources for very little payback? Ultimately it's still a business. When clubs get some kind of reward for development it gives them an incentive to develop more players that can either be home growns or can be sold off for a few $.

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How are we like everyone else? 99.99999% of American soccer is still pay to play. MLS aint paying anyone to get the top players so they will still miss many of them. They will simply make a buck every now and again and then hoard their moneys like the petty little misers that they are. This will be the final dagger in DA. If it does not dissolve from its current form this year, then next year (or part of it) will be their last. Imagine you are a non-MLS club, showcasing your talent at DA games next year so MLS clubs can cherry pick your best players and then profit from them less than a year later? You would have to be a fool to put yourself in this position. They steal your best talent and then THEY profit from it? Now, I think the pressure will come from non-MLS clubs to get out sooner rather than later. This system creates even more division and that is NOT what we needed in our youth systems.

Wake up. MLS is already cherry picking the best players. That’s the way the funnel works

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Wake up. MLS is already cherry picking the best players. That’s the way the funnel works

I just said that as well. Frankly some non MLS clubs are more than happy to be known as a feeder club to the MLS. It brings in more paying customers. Even if few actually move up the ladder the hope is there, and so are the cancelled checks.

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My point to another poster was that our solidarity payment system does not make us anything like the foreign systems. It applies here to only 20 clubs out of 3 million players. That makes it roughly .00000000000000000000001% of players. There is no onus for the clubs that will not get solidarity payments to give up their talent because they only get weaker and get no compensation. When this happens without restitution, it makes all of those clubs even angrier and they will resist even more and try to shelter and hoard their top talent as best they can (as opposed to a decent small club shopping a gem for his own best interest as well as their bottom line) .... in no way, shape or form does this get us anywhere near the rest of the world ... IMHO, it will just make a small group of MLS teams even more hated and smaller clubs will avoid them like the plague at some point for fear of getting raped for talent and profit.

I think you don't have your facts correct. It seems like MLS will pursue payments for MLS clubs, but that does not foreclose on the opportunity for non-MLS clubs to pursue payments for players they trained prior to joining MLS clubs. It's just that MLS won't work on their behalf (but nor will they prevent the pursuit of payment).

See: https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/...arity-payments

Will MLS make Solidarity Payments to U.S. or Canadian amateur youth clubs if an MLS player is transferred out of MLS?

Under the FIFA Regulations, it is incumbent on the club receiving the player (paying the transfer fee) to remit Solidarity Payments pro rata to each eligible club. MLS Clubs will only claim the portion due specifically to its own academy or academies. If a non-MLS academy youth club has a rightful claim to a portion of the Solidarity Payment, the MLS Club will only seek its own percentage of the payment. MLS Clubs will NOT receive the full Solidarity Payment to further distribute among non-MLS academy youth clubs.

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It has been said multiple times - MLS clubs will attract top players no matter what the lower level clubs do and no matter what the payment structure is. That's how a pyramid works - top players move into the upper echelon of clubs. Non MLS clubs aren't holding players hostage (well, some might try but it never works). How the non MLS clubs chose to handle that reality is their problem. But leaving would be foolish - then it's more like ECNL but with having to give up HS. Many non MLS DA clubs won't be able to compete

Payments are a good thing, even if it may be small at first. Right now MLS clubs have to spend hundreds of thousands training 60-100 players (depending on the # of teams) and they get almost nothing back for it. What's the incentive to devote time, dollars and management resources for very little payback? Ultimately it's still a business. When clubs get some kind of reward for development it gives them an incentive to develop more players that can either be home growns or can be sold off for a few $.

Revs don't spend crap. They are garbage and they should not be rewarded for other people's training!

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I think you don't have your facts correct. It seems like MLS will pursue payments for MLS clubs, but that does not foreclose on the opportunity for non-MLS clubs to pursue payments for players they trained prior to joining MLS clubs. It's just that MLS won't work on their behalf (but nor will they prevent the pursuit of payment).

See: https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/...arity-payments

Will MLS make Solidarity Payments to U.S. or Canadian amateur youth clubs if an MLS player is transferred out of MLS?

Under the FIFA Regulations, it is incumbent on the club receiving the player (paying the transfer fee) to remit Solidarity Payments pro rata to each eligible club. MLS Clubs will only claim the portion due specifically to its own academy or academies. If a non-MLS academy youth club has a rightful claim to a portion of the Solidarity Payment, the MLS Club will only seek its own percentage of the payment. MLS Clubs will NOT receive the full Solidarity Payment to further distribute among non-MLS academy youth clubs.

Why should a non MLS club get anything if they charge a fee? The whole point is MLS clubs cover the costs of training and want some compensation for it. The Beachsides of the world charge players.

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Revs don't spend crap. They are garbage and they should not be rewarded for other people's training!

Yes they're terrible but they are still paying to develop players, even if they spend the bare minimum. Maybe if they made a few $ that might incentivize them to put in a modicum of effort. That's the point of the payments.