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    #16
    The coaching was not good last year. Coach didn't seem to care. My daughter resented missing vacations for the silly tournaments like the friendship cup. This is a kid that can't get enough soccer in general.

    It's great for bragging on Facebook and at the office that my daughter does ODP....very fancy.

    But the truth is that she did not get anything out of the lackluster training sessions or lukewarm coaching.

    Having events on holiday weekends is the cherry on top of this turd.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Last year was awful. Complete waste of time. Is there any value anymore?
      It's value is to raise money for Timbers from parents.

      It's gotten worse every year.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Dear OP,

        Was last year a complete waste of time if you break it down? How many connections did you make? You paid for an experience you didn't like, so why would you even question if it was worth it.

        Only you can tell if it has value for your DD. Do a little research. Learn a little more about the coaches abilities and accomplishments (note: I didn't say license level). You don't like your local coach go to one of the other locations. Remember there are several locations not just your local one. You may be able to make your local training, but the State team will have more competition. There is no guarantee your location will have even one make the state team.

        Risk #1 $50 tryout fee - Do you like what you see or not? Can your DD gain anything from this? At least you know and you are not relying on Talking Soccer warped opinions. You have no obligations. Don't like it and you wasted $50. If you like it accept training offer (if you even get an offer)

        Risk #2 $443 Training & full uniform package assuming you are a first timer at 04, 05, 06. Full uniform package is jersey, shorts, socks, warm ups, rain jacket, and backpack. You should agree that should be at lease $200 even though they say it is only $50 for the package. Two of these NIKE brand items are worth more than that. That leaves $243 for 16-20 training sessions which breaks down to $12-$15 per session to cover cost for coach, fields, lights, liability insurance, & tournament/scrimmages with more rounded players. If you don't like it and quite you are out some of the $243, but you still have Nike clothing.

        OP, since you did it last year and if you are 04/05 your cost is $19- $23 per session. If if you didn't like it then why would you waste your time and money? The only reason to do it again is to keep your foot in the door incase this becomes the path to the top competition in the area if GDA steps on top. ECNL stays on top then hopefully you gained something from your experiences.


        Risk 3 is if you decide to even try out for the state or regional teams. That's totally up to you when the time comes.

        Big problem is people take advice from idiots on Talking Soccer that
        1.) don't even know who you are and what your kid has to offer.
        2.) these people have hidden agendas and must protect their own interests. hence: the term "OLD CAR SALESMAN" & "POLITICIANS" They will tell you anything.
        Word on the street is many states cut back on the training frequency this past year, so that cost per session goes up quite a bit. It also leaves teams less prepared for competition. Another issue is sometimes coaching assignments change so you could be stuck with a dud. Poor coaching seems to be a more common refrain lately.

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          #19
          odp/rtc

          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          The coaching was not good last year. Coach didn't seem to care. My daughter resented missing vacations for the silly tournaments like the friendship cup. This is a kid that can't get enough soccer in general.

          It's great for bragging on Facebook and at the office that my daughter does ODP....very fancy.

          But the truth is that she did not get anything out of the lackluster training sessions or lukewarm coaching.

          Having events on holiday weekends is the cherry on top of this turd.

          At least it's not ecnl .

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            The coaching was not good last year. Coach didn't seem to care. My daughter resented missing vacations for the silly tournaments like the friendship cup. This is a kid that can't get enough soccer in general.

            It's great for bragging on Facebook and at the office that my daughter does ODP....very fancy.

            But the truth is that she did not get anything out of the lackluster training sessions or lukewarm coaching.

            Having events on holiday weekends is the cherry on top of this turd.
            Very hard to find coaches willing to do odp/rtc so you don't get much in the way of coaching.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              At least it's not ecnl .
              That's for sure. At least with ECNL you get good training 4x per week and get to play with other top players. ODP - not so much.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Hasn't been any value for at least 5 years, maybe more.
                Timing coincides with the rise of the ECNL ... Just Say'in.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  That's for sure. At least with ECNL you get good training 4x per week and get to play with other top players. ODP - not so much.
                  Good training is what's expected at all Clubs, regardless of what league your team decides to play in. It's expected (Good training) as the fees to the club range between 2K and 10K a year depending on the amount of travel your team/club is planning.

                  ODP is part of the USYS infrastructure for state, regional and eventually the US Soccer National teams for player identification. OYSA ODP/RTC does have the bonus of player ID for the Portland Timbers Dev. Academy and now for the Portland Thorns GDA teams. So while serving it's USYS purpose: player ID for State, Regional and National programs, you also get to be scouted for the US Soccer Development Academy programs in Portland.

                  Didn't have many Oregonians involved with the ECNL ID program even though it was hosted here in town. Was the ECNL ID camp 4x this week as you mentioned above?

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    That's for sure. At least with ECNL you get good training 4x per week and get to play with other top players. ODP - not so much.
                    If your club is having practice 4x a week, then they clearly don't think too much about their quality and are making up for it with quantity. This isn't an argument for ODP, just a statement that it sounds like your club training isn't any good.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Very hard to find coaches willing to do odp/rtc so you don't get much in the way of coaching.
                      It's very hard to find quality youth coaching in Oregon, Period.

                      Which is a bummer.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Last year was awful. Complete waste of time. Is there any value anymore?
                        We did it three years. Got progressively worse. Last year was terrible.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          If your club is having practice 4x a week, then they clearly don't think too much about their quality and are making up for it with quantity. This isn't an argument for ODP, just a statement that it sounds like your club training isn't any good.
                          GDA mandates a minimum of 4 training sessions per week.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            GDA mandates a minimum of 4 training sessions per week.
                            They have to because they know the coaching will be bottom of the beer barrel. So they force quantity to make up for quality.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              GDA mandates a minimum of 4 training sessions per week.
                              And the point of the DA is to create talent for pro teams and the WNT, a mocel based upon the teams in other countries who have development academies. ECNL and other leagues are not based upon this. Their goal is to put players into college, at most. Again, if your team is practicing 4x a week, there is something wrong. And if they are using that time to do conditioning, that is also wrong. If the girls don't have the fortitude to condition on their own, then they shouldn't be playing.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                And the point of the DA is to create talent for pro teams and the WNT, a mocel based upon the teams in other countries who have development academies. ECNL and other leagues are not based upon this. Their goal is to put players into college, at most. Again, if your team is practicing 4x a week, there is something wrong. And if they are using that time to do conditioning, that is also wrong. If the girls don't have the fortitude to condition on their own, then they shouldn't be playing.
                                If our team is training 4x per week and yours only 2x per week, we'll be pulling away from your team very quickly. Time to get with the program - or join Thorns Academy and play silver division at Beaverton Cup.

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