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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Probably more than ECNL on a per player basis. The GDA clubs seem to be charging more than ECNL, even though USSF wanted it to be a lower cost.
    They are. They are supposed to have an additional practice per week so you in theory get more but the bottom line is that the outlay is bigger to play gda. I believe it is more than any other teams I am aware of.

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      But then they get more players clamoring to get in, hoping they'll make the DA squad at some point. If clubs didn't get something out of it they wouldn't do it.

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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        But then they get more players clamoring to get in, hoping they'll make the DA squad at some point. If clubs didn't get something out of it they wouldn't do it.
        Clubs are supposed to make money, but the better model in one where GDA can serve as the carrot that helps build a large club under its pillar and attract players from the ground up. Something like PDA's model. This can provide both a pool of players and also the financial ability to average out the GDA infrastructure and costs. Stand alone GDA clubs like LISC have to absorb all the costs on their own, resulting in an expensive pay to play model. Being more expensive was not what USSF described in their original details. And need-based scholarships are also flawed -- the costs should just be lowered across the board to make it more affordable to everyone.

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          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Residency programs don't work because of the size of our country. Additionally would you allow your 14/16 to move to say Boston to chase their Soccer Dreams. Would you allow your child to miss college to chase their Soccer Dreams

          Who would they play? DAP is large and water down in order for the clubs to have regional teams to play. This allows for reasonable travel and expenses

          There are a lot of Washington Generals clubs out there to give the legit clubs game fodder
          Not to mention the costs. Who will pay for their kid to go to a residency program? Families are already unable to manage the current costs.

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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Clubs are supposed to make money, but the better model in one where GDA can serve as the carrot that helps build a large club under its pillar and attract players from the ground up. Something like PDA's model. This can provide both a pool of players and also the financial ability to average out the GDA infrastructure and costs. Stand alone GDA clubs like LISC have to absorb all the costs on their own, resulting in an expensive pay to play model. Being more expensive was not what USSF described in their original details. And need-based scholarships are also flawed -- the costs should just be lowered across the board to make it more affordable to everyone.
            Clubs have operated for years on the model of "charge as much as you can to as many people as you can, then offer a few scholarships to those in need". It's a tough mindset to break and might not ever be broken. It's a more profitable model than lowering the price to all. First, those few (and I saw few because soccer is just not a poor person's sport in this country) needing a scholarship will still need one at $2000 just as much as they do at $3000. You start to break even on a team around players 14-18 depending on your cost structure. Players above that number are icing on the cake. Better to make a higher profit margin on players 15-22 than lower. It also means they could better offer scholarships with a higher profit on the paying players. Price isn't a big part of the decision process in club soccer, at least not at that level. Clubs will charge what they think the market can bear.

            Non MLS boys clubs have had to compete against the free to play clubs and had no choice but to lower fees. Some still never have despite DA pushing for it. A club that is doing both boys and girls DA is going to really feel the pinch if they're trying to keep fees low for both genders. You need to be a big club like PDA to enact that - all the other numerous profitable teams help subsidize DA tuitions. Small clubs without a lot of teams will really struggle to keep fees low.

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Not to mention the costs. Who will pay for their kid to go to a residency program? Families are already unable to manage the current costs.
              Just tossing out ideas - USSF has millions set aside for DA scholarships. Funnel that into a residency program instead of giving it to the clubs for fees. Partner up with a respected school (but not to academically challenging school but not all players are good students) to give it some academic credentials and avoid building your own infrastructure. Families apply for financial aid like they would for college - those over a certain amount still need to put in a fair amount but nothing close to what the full boat would be at the school. Those who qualify don't pay a thing.

              Some MLS clubs are starting or already have residency programs. It is the future.

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Just tossing out ideas - USSF has millions set aside for DA scholarships. Funnel that into a residency program instead of giving it to the clubs for fees. Partner up with a respected school (but not to academically challenging school but not all players are good students) to give it some academic credentials and avoid building your own infrastructure. Families apply for financial aid like they would for college - those over a certain amount still need to put in a fair amount but nothing close to what the full boat would be at the school. Those who qualify don't pay a thing.

                Some MLS clubs are starting or already have residency programs. It is the future.
                Will just concentrate more resources to the the ones that were able to fiance their development in high level soccer through to high school years. By that point many have already been excluded. Spend the money on younger players before they are priced out of the sport altogether.

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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Will just concentrate more resources to the the ones that were able to fiance their development in high level soccer through to high school years. By that point many have already been excluded. Spend the money on younger players before they are priced out of the sport altogether.
                  Won't ever happen. And we don't have the coaching and infrastructure in place to focus on the younger years. Most programs rely on poorly trained volunteer parent coaches or 20 year olds with barely a license to their name. While it is the right thing to do, it requires enormous long term focus and USSF doesn't have that. They want immediate results, hence the knee jerk reaction to do GDA when they should have done it ten years ago when they started BDA.

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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Won't ever happen. And we don't have the coaching and infrastructure in place to focus on the younger years. Most programs rely on poorly trained volunteer parent coaches or 20 year olds with barely a license to their name. While it is the right thing to do, it requires enormous long term focus and USSF doesn't have that. They want immediate results, hence the knee jerk reaction to do GDA when they should have done it ten years ago when they started BDA.
                    No long term focus and not doing the right thing is not a recipe for success or improvement.

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      No long term focus and not doing the right thing is not a recipe for success or improvement.
                      Of course, and it's why we will continue in a sea of mediocrity for years to come. It takes the right leadership and commitment from the top. Take a look at many countries with fewer players and resources that have made improving soccer their mission - Iceland, the Netherlands, etc - and had along term plan to make it happen. A rising tide lifts all boats, but USSF prefers to focus on just the few "top" players at the older ages when years of development is already lost and they have to play catchup

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Of course, and it's why we will continue in a sea of mediocrity for years to come. It takes the right leadership and commitment from the top. Take a look at many countries with fewer players and resources that have made improving soccer their mission - Iceland, the Netherlands, etc - and had along term plan to make it happen. A rising tide lifts all boats, but USSF prefers to focus on just the few "top" players at the older ages when years of development is already lost and they have to play catchup
                        The Clubs led, so direct some of your angst that way. Why dont they develop younger players? Its not really the feds job to develop players. The USA have a very convoluted messy pathway that does not make for development. Rec/ Club etc. In soccer cultures - from kicking a ball in the park on up - there is real knowledge. Here there are parents doing to so Jane can start. There is no objective judgement until you are well into the development years adn by then who knows what you have missed.

                        Thats not a USSF problem, its a USA culture problem

                        Go look at the profiles of the NT and many YNT players. Most come from soccer families that got them on the right track early. The Clubs are not not doing that.

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                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          The Clubs led, so direct some of your angst that way. Why dont they develop younger players? Its not really the feds job to develop players. The USA have a very convoluted messy pathway that does not make for development. Rec/ Club etc. In soccer cultures - from kicking a ball in the park on up - there is real knowledge. Here there are parents doing to so Jane can start. There is no objective judgement until you are well into the development years adn by then who knows what you have missed.

                          Thats not a USSF problem, its a USA culture problem

                          Go look at the profiles of the NT and many YNT players. Most come from soccer families that got them on the right track early. The Clubs are not not doing that.
                          Parents go to winning teams like moths to a lantern. What can the clubs do? This monster can only be fixed by the USSF demanding no standings and score keeping until the players are teens.

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            The Clubs led, so direct some of your angst that way. Why dont they develop younger players? Its not really the feds job to develop players. The USA have a very convoluted messy pathway that does not make for development. Rec/ Club etc. In soccer cultures - from kicking a ball in the park on up - there is real knowledge. Here there are parents doing to so Jane can start. There is no objective judgement until you are well into the development years adn by then who knows what you have missed.

                            Thats not a USSF problem, its a USA culture problem

                            Go look at the profiles of the NT and many YNT players. Most come from soccer families that got them on the right track early. The Clubs are not not doing that.
                            Not the op but as the lead organization USSF could be doing a lot more to get clubs moving in a better direction. then again, clubs are making so much money they really don't care. Parents keep writing the checks so why should they change?

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                              Why do any of you think USSF has any real power over youth soccer? It's a loose partnership at best and the club soccer orgs could easily go on without USSF affiliation. With DA marginalizing ODP they don't need USSF anymore.

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                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Why do any of you think USSF has any real power over youth soccer? It's a loose partnership at best and the club soccer orgs could easily go on without USSF affiliation. With DA marginalizing ODP they don't need USSF anymore.
                                Yet USSF is (trying) to call all the shots and grab power

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