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    #61
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    National recognition probably affects less then a dozen players in all of NY state. THeir parents very likely read and post on here as most people dont even bother with a chat forum like this.

    But for most high level players, the recruitment process or the college application process is not like that of the minuscule handful and those stories are not useful.
    LOL. not useful? or just hard for you to read? So for all the $$$$ spent, you think most players are average. Which begs the question, why are parents spending so much money for average players?

    accolades MAY get you a look, but almost no one here talks about actual performance. once a coach comes to see you, you have to show them something that attracts them. Talent is talent. All the accolades are relative. Ive seen countless PoY sitting on benches in college for mid level teams.

    Its all abut the player and no amount of window dressing changes that.

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      #62
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      LOL. not useful? or just hard for you to read? So for all the $$$$ spent, you think most players are average. Which begs the question, why are parents spending so much money for average players?

      accolades MAY get you a look, but almost no one here talks about actual performance. once a coach comes to see you, you have to show them something that attracts them. Talent is talent. All the accolades are relative. Ive seen countless PoY sitting on benches in college for mid level teams.

      Its all abut the player and no amount of window dressing changes that.
      Yes. Absolutely. This is sports. Player takes the field and is exposed - good or bad. But for high level players that are not NT players or POY which is most high level players, how to best go about pursuing a college career. How do you show off your talent to the coach you want to play for?

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        #63
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        LOL. not useful? or just hard for you to read? So for all the $$$$ spent, you think most players are average. Which begs the question, why are parents spending so much money for average players?

        accolades MAY get you a look, but almost no one here talks about actual performance. once a coach comes to see you, you have to show them something that attracts them. Talent is talent. All the accolades are relative. Ive seen countless PoY sitting on benches in college for mid level teams.

        Its all abut the player and no amount of window dressing changes that.
        That is absolutely true - you have to prove it to the coaches that come to see you play. But they won't come to see you play if there's nothing there that interests them. For bigger programs or high demand top academic schools anything that can help you creak through their crowded inboxes can help get them to the field. After that it's up to you

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          #64
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          That is absolutely true - you have to prove it to the coaches that come to see you play. But they won't come to see you play if there's nothing there that interests them. For bigger programs or high demand top academic schools anything that can help you creak through their crowded inboxes can help get them to the field. After that it's up to you
          why are you talking about " bigger programs or high demand top academic schools" ? the players those guys are looking at are the ones whose recruiting experiences are "not useful" .

          this is the issue on threads like this. you really want advice for average players targeting average schools because that is what most of you are. However, no one wants to admit that Jane is average, so it gets dressed up with phrases like her HS accolades, she is above average , she went to pdp or id2 events should l include them ...

          reality is IF you are getting these things because you are good, then its a non issue right?

          Of course there is the odd very talented player who for some reason falls thru the cracks, but most player get the level of recruitment that their talent deserves. Parents just have a really hard time accepting this after all the money spent and when they try and compare Jane to Josie who is getting a lot of interest and who , on game day, they cannot differentiate from their own kid !!

          If you are finding it hard here are some reasons why

          - you are over rating your player
          - you are starting the process too early
          - you are playing at the wrong Club

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            #65
            bumping thread to skip over the troll who keeps trying to debunk the conversation had here.

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              #66
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              bumping thread to skip over the troll who keeps trying to debunk the conversation had here.
              thats right, keep kidding yourself that soccer recruiting is so inefficient that there are loads of inside tips that can make a player attractive to good schools. Tips that you can find in internet forums full of "experts" .

              Give me a break.

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                #67
                What if just listed a bunch of different categories of schools and if anyone has experience with a school of that type they could comment.

                For example

                Binghampton - Ny state university with competitive academic admissions.

                Cortland - Suny with less competitive academic admission requirement

                Colgate University - competitive academic liberal arts

                Cornell university - Large Ivy league

                Manhattanville - small liberal arts catholic

                Providence College -larger liberal art college catholic

                Smith - small liberal arts women

                Tufts - Medium size urban competitive academics

                Amherst - small liberal arts with top level academic requirements.

                Anyone with experience with a player interested in these schools or a similar type?

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  thats right, keep kidding yourself that soccer recruiting is so inefficient that there are loads of inside tips that can make a player attractive to good schools. Tips that you can find in internet forums full of "experts" .

                  Give me a break.
                  Because we should believe you too? You're an expert on what your kid experienced, nothing else.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    What if just listed a bunch of different categories of schools and if anyone has experience with a school of that type they could comment.

                    For example

                    Binghampton - Ny state university with competitive academic admissions.

                    Cortland - Suny with less competitive academic admission requirement

                    Colgate University - competitive academic liberal arts

                    Cornell university - Large Ivy league

                    Manhattanville - small liberal arts catholic

                    Providence College -larger liberal art college catholic

                    Smith - small liberal arts women

                    Tufts - Medium size urban competitive academics

                    Amherst - small liberal arts with top level academic requirements.

                    Anyone with experience with a player interested in these schools or a similar type?
                    What SCHOOLS are your player interested in? That should always be the first priority. Have you taken them to look at any of them? Those schools are very different in terms of academics, size and location. Then look at the soccer programs. Do they want a D1 or a D3 experience? Because those experiences are very different. For many of the schools you listed you're not getting in without the grades but most will give you a pre-read on the likelihood of admissions.

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Because we should believe you too? You're an expert on what your kid experienced, nothing else.

                      EXACTLY my point. But unlike others, Im not asking to be believed. I know what worked for us I wont suggest it will work for you or anyone else UNLESS I got to know an awful lot more about your situation and the player. Way more than you will share on an anonymous forum

                      get it ?

                      And the guy taking the schools approach has it spot on. That is a MUCH better and more constructive approach to get REAL feedback if people are willing to be open about themselves. Would be even better WITHOUT school names so people dont fear being outed.

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                        #71
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        What SCHOOLS are your player interested in? That should always be the first priority. Have you taken them to look at any of them? Those schools are very different in terms of academics, size and location. Then look at the soccer programs. Do they want a D1 or a D3 experience? Because those experiences are very different. For many of the schools you listed you're not getting in without the grades but most will give you a pre-read on the likelihood of admissions.
                        last one ... depending on the player it MAY well be better to look at the soccer program FIRST. obviously it depends on the player. if you are going to end up with a reasonable number of good school with the soccer first approach, then do that IF your kid seems serious about playing. She will spend a lot of time with those girls and that coach and that environment can make or break her College experience NO MATTER HOW GOOD YOU THINK THE SCHOOL IS.

                        A lot of kids transfer from VERY good schools because the soccer environment was not well evaluated.


                        Dont fall for the look at the school first line IF you want to play 4 years. If soccer is a "nice to have" , you are not getting $$, simply using it to get in, going D3 then clearly you should go the other way.

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                          #72
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          last one ... depending on the player it MAY well be better to look at the soccer program FIRST. obviously it depends on the player. if you are going to end up with a reasonable number of good school with the soccer first approach, then do that IF your kid seems serious about playing. She will spend a lot of time with those girls and that coach and that environment can make or break her College experience NO MATTER HOW GOOD YOU THINK THE SCHOOL IS.

                          A lot of kids transfer from VERY good schools because the soccer environment was not well evaluated.


                          Dont fall for the look at the school first line IF you want to play 4 years. If soccer is a "nice to have" , you are not getting $$, simply using it to get in, going D3 then clearly you should go the other way.
                          WOW - advice, content. I guess it can be done...Thank you.

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                            #73
                            I have done a lot of research on the internet, but the thing I found most helpful is a short book (can skim it in an hour or less) that sets out the nuts and bolts of recruiting. It is "The Athletic Scholarship Playbook" and is about $15 on Amazon. Don't bite my head off if you don't want to look at it, that's fine. I just found it put all this information floating around into one easy place to figure out what to do.

                            here's the thing -- everyone's journey will be different. I would love it if we could share experiences/pointers without tearing each other down. It could be a great resource! (I however am not hopeful).

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                              #74
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              WOW - advice, content. I guess it can be done...Thank you.
                              The SAME guy who was labelled as a thread hijacker and troll. Im neither. It all comes down to how the question is framed and to what audience. If you found my response helpful, then great.

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                                #75
                                One thing I find irritating on the high school sidelines are the parents who are convinced their kids are the second coming -- and also will play in college. I actually think there are some bright line criteria that can help parents see whether their kid is suited to play in college, or not. Here are a couple of my criteria, would love to hear more.

                                If your son is a senior and not starting on varsity he is not one of the best players and is not a strong candidate for college recruitment.

                                On the flip side, if your son makes varsity as a freshman and is a starter he might be on the path to D1 (assuming a very strong high school program, like a prep school).

                                Similarly, kids who stay after practice to take shots/keep playing are showing the drive to improve that is a key element of college potential.

                                Thoughts?

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