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    Academic tip for D3 recruiting?

    I know this exists in the Ivys but does this also exist with academically strong D3s? Son plays for a DA club for the class of 2021. GPA is 3.6 at an academically rigorous high school but his SAT score is not in the lower end of regular acceptances. He is scoring around 1150-1200 on practice SAT tests. We’ve hired a tutor to increase his scores but realistically he’ll probably top out at 1250. Do coaches have any sway in the admissions process for a likely letter?

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    Yes, absolutely. However no likely letters in d3. And, how much of a tip probably varies by institution. Best bet is to get in touch with coaches and go from there. They will be aware of the grades/scores needed to have it make sense to submit for a preread.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      I know this exists in the Ivys but does this also exist with academically strong D3s? Son plays for a DA club for the class of 2021. GPA is 3.6 at an academically rigorous high school but his SAT score is not in the lower end of regular acceptances. He is scoring around 1150-1200 on practice SAT tests. We’ve hired a tutor to increase his scores but realistically he’ll probably top out at 1250. Do coaches have any sway in the admissions process for a likely letter?
      You really need to adjust your expectations. There are boys applying to ivies with 4.0/1450 who are better soccer players than your son. If your son was on USMNT u17 team with 3.6/1150 he would not be in the mix for ivies or even NESCAC schools. Coaches can support solid (slightly below standard) candidates if they are exceptional players. It's shocking to see so many parents with no real understanding of the entire process and expect coaches to pull strings for their child when there is no chance of that happening.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        I know this exists in the Ivys but does this also exist with academically strong D3s? Son plays for a DA club for the class of 2021. GPA is 3.6 at an academically rigorous high school but his SAT score is not in the lower end of regular acceptances. He is scoring around 1150-1200 on practice SAT tests. We’ve hired a tutor to increase his scores but realistically he’ll probably top out at 1250. Do coaches have any sway in the admissions process for a likely letter?
        Don't push him too hard into a school where he may struggle. Academic fit matters even more than soccer fit. D3s have no academic support. D3 coaches can give a gentle nudge for a top player. But they don't hold a lot of sway and can't nudge more than a few. He'll still need to be close in range to admissions requirements. Realistically a coach doesn't want a player that might struggle either. Find the right fit.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Yes, absolutely. However no likely letters in d3. And, how much of a tip probably varies by institution. Best bet is to get in touch with coaches and go from there. They will be aware of the grades/scores needed to have it make sense to submit for a preread.
          Players often times hear what they want to hear from D3 coaches. Listen carefully. Often times what coaches really say is "If you can get in there's a spot for you" That's it.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            You really need to adjust your expectations. There are boys applying to ivies with 4.0/1450 who are better soccer players than your son. If your son was on USMNT u17 team with 3.6/1150 he would not be in the mix for ivies or even NESCAC schools. Coaches can support solid (slightly below standard) candidates if they are exceptional players. It's shocking to see so many parents with no real understanding of the entire process and expect coaches to pull strings for their child when there is no chance of that happening.
            Well, first, don't be a doooosh. OP asked a question, so climb down from your high horse and help out.

            Second, how do you know there are players better than the OP's son?

            Last, and this point will be different as it's for girls, but my niece got into Bowdoin with just "pretty good" grades based on coach going to bat for her. Without her athletics, she would not have been Bowdoin material.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Players often times hear what they want to hear from D3 coaches. Listen carefully. Often times what coaches really say is "If you can get in there's a spot for you" That's it.
              Usually three levels with 2 or 3 spots each, the higher the academics the lower the level of competition.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Last, and this point will be different as it's for girls, but my niece got into Bowdoin with just "pretty good" grades based on coach going to bat for her. Without her athletics, she would not have been Bowdoin material.
                GPA?

                SATs?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  GPA?

                  SATs?
                  Sorry, don't have exact info but I do know she was a B student. Not a "high B, almost an A", just a flat out B.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Usually three levels with 2 or 3 spots each, the higher the academics the lower the level of competition.
                    Wrong. Many high academic D3's with very competitive soccer. Academic push is available at some but varies greatly by school. Speak to the coach directly.

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                      #11
                      There's a fair amount of confusion on this thread, and posters who clearly have no idea what they are talking about. I have a S21 who is in the thick of academic d3 recruiting. *Speak to the coach* it really depends on the school.

                      For Ivy there is a formula using grades and test scores (which differs by achool). Kids get into Ivies with lower academics than, say some NESCACs.

                      The cliche is that to play soccer at an Ivy you have to be a GREAT player and a GOOD student. At a selective d3, you have to be a GOOD player and GREAT student.

                      But reach out to coaches at schools your son might be interested in.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Wrong. Many high academic D3's with very competitive soccer. Academic push is available at some but varies greatly by school. Speak to the coach directly.
                        True....In fact if the coach is interested they will get you an early read. It will tell you if you can get in and how much merit money. Happened to my daughter right after junior year. For way of reference in addition to other high academic d3"s she was also being looked at by a MAC and Patriots school (s).

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          True....In fact if the coach is interested they will get you an early read. It will tell you if you can get in and how much merit money. Happened to my daughter right after junior year. For way of reference in addition to other high academic d3"s she was also being looked at by a MAC and Patriots school (s).
                          Best advice cast a wide net on D3 schools (high, middle, low) and also look at other lower D1 leagues (A10, Patriot, America East,...). You also don't want to get into a school and struggle academically. Look for a good fit and if they will be happy there. Also have your son talk to the players on the teams. Do they like the coaches? Does he like the players on the team?

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                            #14
                            OP here. Thanks for everyone’s responses. I’ll have him contact the coaches of the schools he’s interested in and have shown an interest in him.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              OP here. Thanks for everyone’s responses. I’ll have him contact the coaches of the schools he’s interested in and have shown an interest in him.
                              Also contact the coaches of teams that he is interested in even if they haven't shown interest. Going to a clinic at the school is the way to go if possible. Ours ended up committing to a very high level academic D3 that had not responded to any direct contact for over a year. Went to a clinic in junior year and committed shortly after the clinic.

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