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    #61
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    I will join in on this. I’ve seen the top two OYSA teams play. They are very athletic but do not have the ability to compete consistently within the DA rules. There’s no way a team like PCU could handle 80 minutes of Vantuckys style of play with the subbing rule. Now, if the game was played where you could sub in and out freely then it would even out the playing field.
    That is valid.

    And oYSA hasn’t changed their rules in 20+ years, so the manic thump and run and sub when you are tired will rule the day.

    WaTFC and others play good, modern soccer. Can’t wait to see how it translates.

    Maybe this is why the dinasours want to get out of DA. Easier to spot big and fast athletes then identify and develop soccer players.

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      #62
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      That is valid.

      And oYSA hasn’t changed their rules in 20+ years, so the manic thump and run and sub when you are tired will rule the day.

      WaTFC and others play good, modern soccer. Can’t wait to see how it translates.

      Maybe this is why the dinasours want to get out of DA. Easier to spot big and fast athletes then identify and develop soccer players.
      What's "...good, modern soccer"???? This is a wild guess. Are you a parent on the team?

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        #63
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        What's "...good, modern soccer"???? This is a wild guess. Are you a parent on the team?
        Yes i am.

        La Liga, Belgium, chile, Spain, Barcelona, real, bundasliga, atletico, Bayern, BVB, seri A, Napoli.

        Pep, bielsa, simeone, conte, Del bosque, low, etc

        Watch those t arms and managers. Players have to think, not just crush it forward and try to capitalize on chaos and athleticism. Works for now, won’t work later. Except maybe high school.

        Run, Forest, Run!!

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          #64
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Yes i am.

          La Liga, Belgium, chile, Spain, Barcelona, real, bundasliga, atletico, Bayern, BVB, seri A, Napoli.

          Pep, bielsa, simeone, conte, Del bosque, low, etc

          Watch those t arms and managers. Players have to think, not just crush it forward and try to capitalize on chaos and athleticism. Works for now, won’t work later. Except maybe high school.

          Run, Forest, Run!!
          The four things that everyone on TS agrees upon:

          1) Bootball is bad.

          2) It's the other clubs that play it.

          3) When our team wins, it is due to our superior technical and tactical mastery of the game, and proof positive of our club's methodology.

          4) When the other team wins, it is due to overreliance on athletic ability or size, or because our coach was focusing on development rather than results.

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            #65
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            What's "...good, modern soccer"???? This is a wild guess. Are you a parent on the team?
            Good modern soccer is when your sons team is unpredictable.

            Too much smashing the ball all over the place is predictable and easy to defend as they get older.

            Too much possession, especially with no purpose, is predictable and easy to defend.

            “Good Modern Soccer” meshes the two and the players “know” when to implement both.

            The game is really simple. I’ve watched most teams at this age group and can say that I’ve only seen one team that truly attempts it. Most of the teams in the DA and OYSA are so he!! bent on game day that they lose their focus on the cognitive side of the game where decision making is king. You can hear it on the sidelines from the coaches. Coaches that “guide” their players in the flow and not direct their players in the flow are the coaches that you want coaching your kids. Coaches should be asking “why”, “where”, “what can you do” and “how” during the flow. Coaches need to put away their Xbox controllers and let the players think for themselves.
            The coaches that focus on changing formations constantly and move players around to make the team more successful are the ones that are failing the game. Even at U14 it’s still about the individual more than the team. If your club does not have an Individual Performance Plan for your child than you need to look elsewhere or demand one.

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              #66
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Good modern soccer is when your sons team is unpredictable.

              Too much smashing the ball all over the place is predictable and easy to defend as they get older.

              Too much possession, especially with no purpose, is predictable and easy to defend.

              “Good Modern Soccer” meshes the two and the players “know” when to implement both.

              The game is really simple. I’ve watched most teams at this age group and can say that I’ve only seen one team that truly attempts it. Most of the teams in the DA and OYSA are so he!! bent on game day that they lose their focus on the cognitive side of the game where decision making is king. You can hear it on the sidelines from the coaches. Coaches that “guide” their players in the flow and not direct their players in the flow are the coaches that you want coaching your kids. Coaches should be asking “why”, “where”, “what can you do” and “how” during the flow. Coaches need to put away their Xbox controllers and let the players think for themselves.
              The coaches that focus on changing formations constantly and move players around to make the team more successful are the ones that are failing the game. Even at U14 it’s still about the individual more than the team. If your club does not have an Individual Performance Plan for your child than you need to look elsewhere or demand one.
              You were doing so well until the coaching jargon at the end.

              Actually, moving players around and having them play different formations is a very good technique. If it's being done in a desperate attempt to find the one formation that makes a mediocre team decent, then not so much--but if it's being done to expose players to the various different positions and different tactical situations, then it's good. You can work at this stuff in training, but there's no substitute for game speed and game pace.

              U14 is still too young to specialize, expect possibly for keepers. A field player should have a basic understanding of, and possess the basic skills, to play all the field positions. Tackling. Marking. Passing. Receiving. Dribbling. Shooting. etc. A player who spends his entire youth career playing centerback and never advances past the halfway line, or a player who is never asked to defend anyone, will not go far. Soccer is more like basketball than like football in this regard--the same rules and techniques apply to everyone.

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                #67
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                We haven’t seen how the little DA clubs compare to the Oysa clubs. Wait until next year when the 04 teams rejoin the league. Where will Oysa place them? Premier 1?

                The 04 group had 2 years of DA, so we will have to wait until next years 05 teams entering state cup and the Oysa league to see if little DA produces better players and teams than Oysa clubs.

                Until then you can’t compare old records.
                Don't be so sure all the DA teams just "rejoin" oysa- many different rumors exist and we already know washington timbers will be joining a group in Seattle that is made up of the little Seattle DA teams (2nd teams for the 3 that have true DA's like the Timbers) instead of going back to oysa. You may be surprised and see a new league created by the rest, effectively continuing the path for those not moving on to TA and cutting the Timbers, sorry peregrine, out

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  You were doing so well until the coaching jargon at the end.

                  Actually, moving players around and having them play different formations is a very good technique. If it's being done in a desperate attempt to find the one formation that makes a mediocre team decent, then not so much--but if it's being done to expose players to the various different positions and different tactical situations, then it's good. You can work at this stuff in training, but there's no substitute for game speed and game pace.

                  U14 is still too young to specialize, expect possibly for keepers. A field player should have a basic understanding of, and possess the basic skills, to play all the field positions. Tackling. Marking. Passing. Receiving. Dribbling. Shooting. etc. A player who spends his entire youth career playing centerback and never advances past the halfway line, or a player who is never asked to defend anyone, will not go far. Soccer is more like basketball than like football in this regard--the same rules and techniques apply to everyone.

                  Ummmmm....that’s what I said. Coaches tend to change formations/positional to effect the result not to effect individual development

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Don't be so sure all the DA teams just "rejoin" oysa- many different rumors exist and we already know washington timbers will be joining a group in Seattle that is made up of the little Seattle DA teams (2nd teams for the 3 that have true DA's like the Timbers) instead of going back to oysa. You may be surprised and see a new league created by the rest, effectively continuing the path for those not moving on to TA and cutting the Timbers, sorry peregrine, out
                    Vantucky has to due to high school soccer. Rumor has it that the top U12 and up both genders will play in RCL. I have a son and daughter one year apart. My son isn’t quite good enough to play for PTFC TA. My daughter has a shot at the Thorns. We are debating on buying Kevlar jackets and joining Vantucky so my kids can be challenged in the RCL. I mean, we are already traveling to play our league games now, Seattle isn’t that much harder.

                    These are the choices that I’ve learbed in the last month and the levels from top to bottom.

                    1. DA/ECNL
                    2. RCL
                    3. OYSA
                    4. PSPL

                    Why wouldn’t you play in the RCL if you could?

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Ummmmm....that’s what I said. Coaches tend to change formations/positional to effect the result not to effect individual development
                      If they do it for that reason, then that's bad.

                      Many do it as a teaching tool, and do it despite the fact that it produces LOSSES on the field, as the players are outside of their comfort zones.

                      The two need to be distinguished.

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                        #71
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Good modern soccer is when your sons team is unpredictable.

                        Too much smashing the ball all over the place is predictable and easy to defend as they get older.

                        Too much possession, especially with no purpose, is predictable and easy to defend.

                        “Good Modern Soccer” meshes the two and the players “know” when to implement both.

                        The game is really simple. I’ve watched most teams at this age group and can say that I’ve only seen one team that truly attempts it. Most of the teams in the DA and OYSA are so he!! bent on game day that they lose their focus on the cognitive side of the game where decision making is king. You can hear it on the sidelines from the coaches. Coaches that “guide” their players in the flow and not direct their players in the flow are the coaches that you want coaching your kids. Coaches should be asking “why”, “where”, “what can you do” and “how” during the flow. Coaches need to put away their Xbox controllers and let the players think for themselves.
                        The coaches that focus on changing formations constantly and move players around to make the team more successful are the ones that are failing the game. Even at U14 it’s still about the individual more than the team. If your club does not have an Individual Performance Plan for your child than you need to look elsewhere or demand one.
                        This is all well and good, but then parent's come on here and start talking bout wins, and goal differentials, and standings. It can't be all about development and all about winning. Youth soccer is a business, and in business the customer is always right. Unfortunately in this business the kids aren't seen as the customers, the parents who are paying are and they demand wins (for the most part, some parent's understand development)

                        IMO no scores should be recorded for any age group under U16. If we want to develop great players we have to stop trying to win at all costs which tends to develop the older, bigger, and in some cases richer, kids.

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                          #72
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          This is all well and good, but then parent's come on here and start talking bout wins, and goal differentials, and standings. It can't be all about development and all about winning. Youth soccer is a business, and in business the customer is always right. Unfortunately in this business the kids aren't seen as the customers, the parents who are paying are and they demand wins (for the most part, some parent's understand development)

                          IMO no scores should be recorded for any age group under U16. If we want to develop great players we have to stop trying to win at all costs which tends to develop the older, bigger, and in some cases richer, kids.
                          Winning is good if a by-product if development.

                          We don’t develop players in Oregon. We post on social media about winning. We talk about development.

                          No Club has a set development plan that they follow. Ask to see your clubs plan. Then see if your kids coach is doing anything from the plan.

                          How do we want to measure development?

                          Players on national teams? Players on college teams? We boast about that every February, but nobody tracks how many kids quit or transfer. If clubs are judged in college recruits do they send the wrong kid to the wrong school?

                          Maybe we talk about how many pros we produce. Start counting.

                          Or maybe we judge clubs in how many players don’t quit. Changing the Game states we lose 70% of our players.

                          Why do so many kids quit? How many clubs cut kids that are 9, 10 and 11? Because some adult with an over inflated ego says they know what talent is? Tell that to griezman, bale, Brady. And those were pro clubs and pro evaluators, some times dealing with mature men.

                          So how does your club identify talent? All the big kids in the first team and small kids on the second team? Putting players in difficult situations so they grow, or playing the most effective player all the time. “He’s not ready!” For what? Bruising a coach’s ego? Hurting a chance to win a game?

                          Soccer exists for one reason in Oregon. So overhyped adults can make money. No where else can a person with no education and very little experience get a position of such great influence. Sadly, so few coach ‘s truly care. So few clubs have a plan. They just take as many registrations as possible and buy a new German sedan. “We are about the children! We are about development.”

                          Then they up fees. Run private training. If the Plan was worth anything, your kid wouldn’t need extra training. If the plan was worth anything, the kids wouldn’t quit.

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                            #73
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Winning is good if a by-product if development.

                            We don’t develop players in Oregon. We post on social media about winning. We talk about development.

                            No Club has a set development plan that they follow. Ask to see your clubs plan. Then see if your kids coach is doing anything from the plan.

                            How do we want to measure development?

                            Players on national teams? Players on college teams? We boast about that every February, but nobody tracks how many kids quit or transfer. If clubs are judged in college recruits do they send the wrong kid to the wrong school?

                            Maybe we talk about how many pros we produce. Start counting.

                            Or maybe we judge clubs in how many players don’t quit. Changing the Game states we lose 70% of our players.

                            Why do so many kids quit? How many clubs cut kids that are 9, 10 and 11? Because some adult with an over inflated ego says they know what talent is? Tell that to griezman, bale, Brady. And those were pro clubs and pro evaluators, some times dealing with mature men.

                            So how does your club identify talent? All the big kids in the first team and small kids on the second team? Putting players in difficult situations so they grow, or playing the most effective player all the time. “He’s not ready!” For what? Bruising a coach’s ego? Hurting a chance to win a game?

                            Soccer exists for one reason in Oregon. So overhyped adults can make money. No where else can a person with no education and very little experience get a position of such great influence. Sadly, so few coach ‘s truly care. So few clubs have a plan. They just take as many registrations as possible and buy a new German sedan. “We are about the children! We are about development.”

                            Then they up fees. Run private training. If the Plan was worth anything, your kid wouldn’t need extra training. If the plan was worth anything, the kids wouldn’t quit.

                            https://www.jillchristensenintl.com/...them-loose.jpg

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                              #74
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Winning is good if a by-product if development.

                              We don’t develop players in Oregon. We post on social media about winning. We talk about development.

                              No Club has a set development plan that they follow. Ask to see your clubs plan. Then see if your kids coach is doing anything from the plan.

                              How do we want to measure development?

                              Players on national teams? Players on college teams? We boast about that every February, but nobody tracks how many kids quit or transfer. If clubs are judged in college recruits do they send the wrong kid to the wrong school?

                              Maybe we talk about how many pros we produce. Start counting.

                              Or maybe we judge clubs in how many players don’t quit. Changing the Game states we lose 70% of our players.

                              Why do so many kids quit? How many clubs cut kids that are 9, 10 and 11? Because some adult with an over inflated ego says they know what talent is? Tell that to griezman, bale, Brady. And those were pro clubs and pro evaluators, some times dealing with mature men.

                              So how does your club identify talent? All the big kids in the first team and small kids on the second team? Putting players in difficult situations so they grow, or playing the most effective player all the time. “He’s not ready!” For what? Bruising a coach’s ego? Hurting a chance to win a game?

                              Soccer exists for one reason in Oregon. So overhyped adults can make money. No where else can a person with no education and very little experience get a position of such great influence. Sadly, so few coach ‘s truly care. So few clubs have a plan. They just take as many registrations as possible and buy a new German sedan. “We are about the children! We are about development.”

                              Then they up fees. Run private training. If the Plan was worth anything, your kid wouldn’t need extra training. If the plan was worth anything, the kids wouldn’t quit.
                              Sad but true. I have a kid who is small and was cut from a club he was with since he was 8 because of it ("he's not going to be able to keep up with the pace"). He's at a different club, playing in a lower division, but actually getting proper training, not being ignored while the bigger kids get the head coaches attention for being older and bigger. I can't put too much blame on the coaches though, every parent meeting all that was talked about was how to improve the wins and standings. What's a DoC to do when the customer asks for wins?

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                                #75
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Sad but true. I have a kid who is small and was cut from a club he was with since he was 8 because of it ("he's not going to be able to keep up with the pace"). He's at a different club, playing in a lower division, but actually getting proper training, not being ignored while the bigger kids get the head coaches attention for being older and bigger. I can't put too much blame on the coaches though, every parent meeting all that was talked about was how to improve the wins and standings. What's a DoC to do when the customer asks for wins?
                                Educate the Customer.

                                Think of customers as members, instead of customers.

                                It a club, not Burger King.

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