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    #91
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    There certainly are some clubs that would prefer to get out of youth development altogether. They don't have the resources or inclination, and as you said the profit isn't there.
    Isn't part of the justification for the money the MLS franchises receive from The US National Team (through SUM) that the MLS will have Academies and Youth Training? Back during the US Soccer Presidential election all of the candidates (except Kathy Carter) where pointing out how the MLS receives money from the National Team broadcasts and merchandise. The MLS franchise agreement is the only reason 75% of the MLS clubs have academies. Currently, there is no incentive to develop players just a contractual agreement.

    So if MLS pulls out of Development Academy I sure hope US Soccer Federation revises the SUM agreement.

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      #92
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      That’s one way to look at it... another would be this:

      In U18/19 - only 4 MLS teams are not currently occupying playoff spots
      In U16/17 - only 7 MLS teams are not currently occupying playoff spots
      And in the 18/19 the top two teams DA wide are non MLS.

      I agree with the poster who said if you cut off the bottom of the non-DA clubs the league is much more equal between MLS. I am sure the MLS teams would still be overall more competitive but it would not be that drastic a difference.

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        #93
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        So...

        U16/17 19 non MLS teams and 13 MLS teams occupy playoff spots

        U18/19 17 non-MLS teams and 15 MLS teams occupy playoff spots

        Looks pretty even to me.
        To the other poster's point, how many MLS teams are there total? How many non-MLS teams?

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          #94
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          To the other poster's point, how many MLS teams are there total? How many non-MLS teams?
          U16/17 = 20 MLS/62 non-MLS
          U18/19 = 20 MLS/58 non-MLS

          if you cut out the bottom 50% the differential closes a lot, hence the reasonably balanced representation in the playoffs.

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            #95
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Isn't part of the justification for the money the MLS franchises receive from The US National Team (through SUM) that the MLS will have Academies and Youth Training? Back during the US Soccer Presidential election all of the candidates (except Kathy Carter) where pointing out how the MLS receives money from the National Team broadcasts and merchandise. The MLS franchise agreement is the only reason 75% of the MLS clubs have academies. Currently, there is no incentive to develop players just a contractual agreement.

            So if MLS pulls out of Development Academy I sure hope US Soccer Federation revises the SUM agreement.
            That is a very interesting point since all the MLS investors look at SUM as the golden goose...

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              #96
              see this post for some DA #s analysis

              https://www.backofthenet.com/62rd/ub...019#Post715846

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                #97
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                So...

                U16/17 19 non MLS teams and 13 MLS teams occupy playoff spots

                U18/19 17 non-MLS teams and 15 MLS teams occupy playoff spots

                Looks pretty even to me.
                There are only 24 MLS clubs and far more non MLS clubs. Neither group enjoys playing the bottom of the barrel clubs.

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                  #98
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  There are only 24 MLS clubs and far more non MLS clubs. Neither group enjoys playing the bottom of the barrel clubs.
                  Good point. Proportionally MLS clubs perform better. MLS clubs are forking over large sums to train kids that on a good day will play mid level D1 soccer. I don't blame them for questioning the sanity of it all. HAcking off half the teams certainly doesn't help with the travel but would improve quality. There's also been discussion of a two tier system with promotion/relegation. But then if you're in the B group it's practically like any other league but with more restrictions and travel. Some B-level clubs wouldn't last long.

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                    #99
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    And in the 18/19 the top two teams DA wide are non MLS.

                    I agree with the poster who said if you cut off the bottom of the non-DA clubs the league is much more equal between MLS. I am sure the MLS teams would still be overall more competitive but it would not be that drastic a difference.
                    Barca at #2 has played no one. The only MLS team they faced was NYRB and Barca lost 3-0. Sockers at #1 haven’t faced much in terms of top MLS quality except for Toronto who they tied 1-1.

                    14 of the top 20 teams at 18/19 are MLS teams.

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      There are only 24 MLS clubs and far more non MLS clubs. Neither group enjoys playing the bottom of the barrel clubs.
                      so why don't they have relegation? This way the top teams (both MLS and non-MLS) will have lower travel times and still have great games.

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        so why don't they have relegation? This way the top teams (both MLS and non-MLS) will have lower travel times and still have great games.
                        They won't have less travel but more. Half the teams means more road trips to get in the same number of games. Also non MLS clubs don't want two tiers because if they're in tier 2 they have less of a reason for being

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                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          so why don't they have relegation? This way the top teams (both MLS and non-MLS) will have lower travel times and still have great games.
                          In my Opinion, this is probably the objective of the MLS Development academy clubs "Talking about leaving DA". I believe they just want the less competitive non-MLS teams off their schedule and as a "compromise" this is what will happen, even though this is probably their true objective to begin with.

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            U16/17 = 20 MLS/62 non-MLS
                            U18/19 = 20 MLS/58 non-MLS

                            if you cut out the bottom 50% the differential closes a lot, hence the reasonably balanced representation in the playoffs.
                            Yes, cut the bottom half. At least the MLS clubs pay the fees for their players (and hopefully much of the travel) but for the non-mls clubs you just added a ton of cost ..... loving this ... can't wait to see OW (and clubs like them) bill go from $2700 + travel to $3500+ (to cover additional coaches travel fees) + travel. The funny thing is, that when you cut so much chaff, the best players from the teams that got spurned will find their ways to free MLS clubs, making them even more competitive and widening the gap again between themselves and non-mls clubs which will have to pay a heavy cost.

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                              Originally posted by unregistered View Post
                              yes, cut the bottom half. At least the mls clubs pay the fees for their players (and hopefully much of the travel) but for the non-mls clubs you just added a ton of cost ..... Loving this ... Can't wait to see ow (and clubs like them) bill go from $2700 + travel to $3500+ (to cover additional coaches travel fees) + travel. The funny thing is, that when you cut so much chaff, the best players from the teams that got spurned will find their ways to free mls clubs, making them even more competitive and widening the gap again between themselves and non-mls clubs which will have to pay a heavy cost.
                              excellent points

                              good stuff here.

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                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Yes, cut the bottom half. At least the MLS clubs pay the fees for their players (and hopefully much of the travel) but for the non-mls clubs you just added a ton of cost ..... loving this ... can't wait to see OW (and clubs like them) bill go from $2700 + travel to $3500+ (to cover additional coaches travel fees) + travel. The funny thing is, that when you cut so much chaff, the best players from the teams that got spurned will find their ways to free MLS clubs, making them even more competitive and widening the gap again between themselves and non-mls clubs which will have to pay a heavy cost.
                                What happens to the revs or another MLS team that is in the bottom for their age group?

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