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    Let's talk about EDP (LMSC, Europa and the rest)

    First, any opinions on LMSC and Europa? The younger teams seem to do very well then there's a drop-off around u16. LMSC seems to have so many teams and not enough lighted fields- is this a big problem in the late Fall/early Spring? Europa is moving in on the Proving Grounds but is that enough?

    Secondly, why are kids staying at these teams now and not flocking to ECNL teams- like in the old days? Is it simply because EDP teams have paid coaches now too? Did ENCL/DA eat itself with due to cost/travel?

    #2
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    First, any opinions on LMSC and Europa? The younger teams seem to do very well then there's a drop-off around u16. LMSC seems to have so many teams and not enough lighted fields- is this a big problem in the late Fall/early Spring? Europa is moving in on the Proving Grounds but is that enough?

    Secondly, why are kids staying at these teams now and not flocking to ECNL teams- like in the old days? Is it simply because EDP teams have paid coaches now too? Did ENCL/DA eat itself with due to cost/travel?
    I’ll bite- just my opinion - people aren’t flocking to Bucks and Delco because they aren’t providing the return to justify playing ECNL, and generally both clubs are a mess being at the bottom of the entire ECNL. ECNL markets themselves as the pathway to D1 soccer but the fact is at Bucks and Delco the D1 commitments are few and far between over the last few years, most of their ECNL players are ending up playing at D2,D3 college soccer programs. Parents and their kids are wising up that ECNL at Bucks and Delco is not worth the time, travel and money for what you are getting at these two clubs. You can play D2,D3 soccer if you are on an EDP club, especially now that the EDP clubs have upped their game with professional coaches to compete with ECNL .

    It’s really like any other business if the product you sell is worth buying then people buy, if not they look for other places to spend their money.

    And this is just my opinion - please do not go on a rant about the exposure of ECNL and GDA because all the exposure in the world means nothing if it doesn’t provide the D1 commitment.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      I’ll bite- just my opinion - people aren’t flocking to Bucks and Delco because they aren’t providing the return to justify playing ECNL, and generally both clubs are a mess being at the bottom of the entire ECNL. ECNL markets themselves as the pathway to D1 soccer but the fact is at Bucks and Delco the D1 commitments are few and far between over the last few years, most of their ECNL players are ending up playing at D2,D3 college soccer programs. Parents and their kids are wising up that ECNL at Bucks and Delco is not worth the time, travel and money for what you are getting at these two clubs. You can play D2,D3 soccer if you are on an EDP club, especially now that the EDP clubs have upped their game with professional coaches to compete with ECNL .

      It’s really like any other business if the product you sell is worth buying then people buy, if not they look for other places to spend their money.

      And this is just my opinion - please do not go on a rant about the exposure of ECNL and GDA because all the exposure in the world means nothing if it doesn’t provide the D1 commitment.
      So why not go to PennFusion? Plenty of d1 commitments including preacademy teams. Btw not everyone wants D1.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        So why not go to PennFusion? Plenty of d1 commitments including preacademy teams. Btw not everyone wants D1.
        Agreed - not everyone wants D1 which may be the reason some aren’t flocking to ECNL any longer.

        Let’s play this out - original poster said EDP teams drop off AFTER U16 which for most would be after their junior year of high school soccer. Many kids are happy playing high school ball and play on a travel team so they get quality time on their high school team. After your junior high school season you really don’t need to play travel soccer if you don’t want to play in college. You would only have one more high school season left - your senior year so many just quit after U16 because there in no reason to continue IF you don’t want to play in college.

        Incidentally, ECNL and DA teams also have trouble fielding teams at these age groups as well often begging for players mid season or having a bare bones roster.

        Bottom line if your kid doesn’t want college soccer no reason to play any travel soccer be it EDP, ECNL or GDA after the age of 16. And if your kid does desire and is good enough for college soccer they will have no problem finding a team to play on at the age of U17 as the field of players has whittled significantly by that age. Just my humble opinion.

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          #5
          All PA and SJ teams should play in PAGs and save themselves a boat load of money.

          LMSC
          Europa
          Philly SC
          Ukies
          Warrington
          PA Rush
          Real
          SJEB B
          Penn Fusion B
          PFLV
          YMS
          PA Dominion
          Sting
          PA Classics B
          Penn FC
          Princeton
          West Mont
          FC Revs
          DEFC
          Penn Alliance

          2 divisions, 9 games each, final 4 memorial day weekend, tied to a showcase for the rest of the teams. The college coaches will flock to the event, especially with those crappy GDA and ECNL kids not around.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            All PA and SJ teams should play in PAGs and save themselves a boat load of money.

            LMSC
            Europa
            Philly SC
            Ukies
            Warrington
            PA Rush
            Real
            SJEB B
            Penn Fusion B
            PFLV
            YMS
            PA Dominion
            Sting
            PA Classics B
            Penn FC
            Princeton
            West Mont
            FC Revs
            DEFC
            Penn Alliance

            2 divisions, 9 games each, final 4 memorial day weekend, tied to a showcase for the rest of the teams. The college coaches will flock to the event, especially with those crappy GDA and ECNL kids not around.
            Great post but isn’t this in essence EDP MidAtlantic which combines PAE and South/Central NJ??

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Great post but isn’t this in essence EDP MidAtlantic which combines PAE and South/Central NJ??
              Yes but at 3-4 x's the cost

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                #8
                At this point Bucks and Delco have not been able to provide value to the consumer to justify the product they are selling. Unless and until they get their act together they will continue to lose kids to EDP. At the end of the day the kids playing ECNL and EDP in this area are ending up at the same D2,D3 schools for the most part.

                And the new college recruiting rules will only cause more to stay with EDP. I would expect at least in the short term you will see more kids opting to just play EDP since the ECNL options in this area are not attractive.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  All PA and SJ teams should play in PAGs and save themselves a boat load of money.

                  LMSC
                  Europa
                  Philly SC
                  Ukies
                  Warrington
                  PA Rush
                  Real
                  SJEB B
                  Penn Fusion B
                  PFLV
                  YMS
                  PA Dominion
                  Sting
                  PA Classics B
                  Penn FC
                  Princeton
                  West Mont
                  FC Revs
                  DEFC
                  Penn Alliance

                  2 divisions, 9 games each, final 4 memorial day weekend, tied to a showcase for the rest of the teams. The college coaches will flock to the event, especially with those crappy GDA and ECNL kids not around.

                  LOVE THIS IDEA!

                  There is great competition in this area no need to go to Boston, or Maryland and spend $500.00 a weekend for league games. Can someone make it happen!

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                    #10
                    State Cups

                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    LOVE THIS IDEA!

                    There is great competition in this area no need to go to Boston, or Maryland and spend $500.00 a weekend for league games. Can someone make it happen!
                    USYS already has state cups, which filter into regional and national tournaments. Three different levels of competition. Many of the clubs listed are going to play qualifying matches this spring.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      LOVE THIS IDEA!

                      There is great competition in this area no need to go to Boston, or Maryland and spend $500.00 a weekend for league games. Can someone make it happen!
                      Totally agree. If all local teams (within 1.5 hrs) played in the same league there would be good competition and no need to travel far and spend a ton of money on the travel

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        All PA and SJ teams should play in PAGs and save themselves a boat load of money.

                        LMSC
                        Europa
                        Philly SC
                        Ukies
                        Warrington
                        PA Rush
                        Real
                        SJEB B
                        Penn Fusion B
                        PFLV
                        YMS
                        PA Dominion
                        Sting
                        PA Classics B
                        Penn FC
                        Princeton
                        West Mont
                        FC Revs
                        DEFC
                        Penn Alliance

                        2 divisions, 9 games each, final 4 memorial day weekend, tied to a showcase for the rest of the teams. The college coaches will flock to the event, especially with those crappy GDA and ECNL kids not around.
                        If you think this is GREAT competition you are fooling yourself or never seen an actual great team play. Sure some of these clubs have a team or 2 that is at the top of EDP but please. No college coaches would flock to see this.

                        And to the poster about u16 - That would be young soph older freshmen. Township team do start to break up and/or merge by then as some just want to play at a higher level or play in junior college, D3. Club players that are looking to play in college are still around as well and clubs always have a stack of players they have scouted. A lot of HS players aren't looking at playing in college and those that are are playing club. As for DA/ECNL they would benefit the most from the late surge from 15U/16U of college bound players looking to make a team that will get them more noticed.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          If you think this is GREAT competition you are fooling yourself or never seen an actual great team play. Sure some of these clubs have a team or 2 that is at the top of EDP but please. No college coaches would flock to see this.

                          And to the poster about u16 - That would be young soph older freshmen. Township team do start to break up and/or merge by then as some just want to play at a higher level or play in junior college, D3. Club players that are looking to play in college are still around as well and clubs always have a stack of players they have scouted. A lot of HS players aren't looking at playing in college and those that are are playing club. As for DA/ECNL they would benefit the most from the late surge from 15U/16U of college bound players looking to make a team that will get them more noticed.
                          For most the spring of their sophomore year of high school is the U16 season and yes after this season many decide they no longer need or want club soccer because they will be juniors in high school for the U17 spring season, and they don’t want to play in college. So an EDP team is fine until after the U16 spring season, For those that do want to continue there are plenty of ECNL /DA teams that will be looking to fill their rosters. Then ECNL / DA teams may not benefit until U17.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            If you think this is GREAT competition you are fooling yourself or never seen an actual great team play. Sure some of these clubs have a team or 2 that is at the top of EDP but please. No college coaches would flock to see this.

                            And to the poster about u16 - That would be young soph older freshmen. Township team do start to break up and/or merge by then as some just want to play at a higher level or play in junior college, D3. Club players that are looking to play in college are still around as well and clubs always have a stack of players they have scouted. A lot of HS players aren't looking at playing in college and those that are are playing club. As for DA/ECNL they would benefit the most from the late surge from 15U/16U of college bound players looking to make a team that will get them more noticed.
                            Thats the purpose of the post. To point out that EDP offers those teams nothing.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Thats the purpose of the post. To point out that EDP offers those teams nothing.
                              The quality of ECNL teams varies by state - the point is presently in this area ECNL at Bucks and Delco is not offering families anything more than a top EDP team does. Bucks and Delco are not committing many kids to D1 schools. Period.

                              Now if you want to look at PDA or world class or FC stars - those clubs if they were in this area offer something more than the EDP teams in this area - what those ECNL Clubs offer is a really good chance at a D1 commitment. Unless and until Bucks and Delco start committing more kids to D1 programs people will stay with their EDP teams - they have no reason to seek out ECNL clubs - As this kids on EDP teams end up at D2,D3 college soccer programs - the same as the kids playing ECNL at Bucks and Delco.

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