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6 Hours Ago 06:49 AM
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^^^^^^^^^- You Can’t indict a sitting President-^^^^^^^*
That’s your no middle ground, now go back and read what the OP said about Obstruction but more importantly Conspiracy to Obstruct!

Take the blinders off young fellow, even the Fox News lawyers agree with that.
The talk is Collusion only, they can’t defend the other Obstruct calls by the President so the topic is kept hush
Conspiracy to obstruct ? You conspired? Trump and his Twitter account ? If you read the report you will see that Trump’s staff didn’t listen to Trump. Didn’t do what he asked. Thats’ he opposite of conspiracy.

Lawyers ? They almost never agree. Let me break it down for you.
Most of the Legislators are Lawyers. They write the Laws. Then if a citizen is charged with breaking a Law, one lawyer says they did ,another says he didn’t. Another Lawyer, who is a Judge, looks over thei argument to make sure it is proper, and the Jury determines guilt or innocence. Not the Lawyers. So their opinions on TV or elsewhere aren’t fact, just opinion.

The entire Legal system Is based on Lawyers arguing about what interpretation of the Law is proper for the circumstance. The final decision comes from another group of Lawyers , SCOTUS. THat’s the application of the Law as it applies to the conduct of the the defendant.

So if you want to prove obstruction, you need to go through due process. Not Lawyers on TV or in print. Not headline after headline cherry picking 10 possible cases of obstruction. 10 cases of nothing is still nothing. There is zero evidence of collusion, no crime regarding collusion has been indicated, so there wasn’t anything to obstruct.

Well you are correct in one regard. You can’t indict a current President if you don’t have any evidence. If you did, the ultimate answer if you can indict or not would rest with SCOTUS, not some Lawyers on TV.
6 Hours Ago 06:33 AM
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Hey sh.it for brains... you need a civics class.
Obstruction does not need an underlying crime... show us where it says otherwise...
The only thing that is as clear as day is that the Russians interfered with the 2016 election (note the point of the Mueller investigation) and the Repugs have been caught with their hands in the till. Its up to Congress now...
Really? If there isn’t any crime, what was being obstructed ? The accusation of Obstruction indicates a corrupt attempt to interfere with a potion of due process. There wasn’t any crime. No charges were filed regarding “ collusion “ with the Russian Government.

Additionally, the POTUS and his staff gave every thing that was asked for. Documents, interviews, Grand Jury , that doesn’t sound like obstruction to me. No supboenas needed to be served to obtain anything. No one took the fifth did they ?

For over two years we were told Trump was a” Russian Agent “ Putin’s Puppet” , Rachel time and time again said the Russians were running the country, along with many others. Adam SChiff over a year and a half ago, said thee was “ evidence in plain sight “ Really ? Why didn’t Mueller see it ?

Clearly, the Russian interference in the 2016 election occurred while Obama was President. His Intelligence people stood down. HIs response was to tell Putin to “ cut it out”.

Sorry Dems and their MSM water carriers. It is over. YOu all lied. Da Y after day, night after night, you had the American people at the edge of their seats, waiting for the next “ Bombshell”
All the Talking heads. Accusations of “ treason” . So called “ Journalists “ with “ sources” that were wrong over and over again.

The only “ obstruction” was the obstruction of the Truth of the matter. So now, the same groups that lied for over two years want credibility for their opinions now. Fat chance. They are all a disgrace. Why hasn’t Avenatti been on CNN and MSNBC recently? He was on dozens and dozens of times. He was one of the Lawyers they put out there.
7 Hours Ago 05:54 AM
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Hey sh.it for brains... you need a civics class.
Obstruction does not need an underlying crime... show us where it says otherwise...
The only thing that is as clear as day is that the Russians interfered with the 2016 election (note the point of the Mueller investigation) and the Repugs have been caught with their hands in the till. Its up to Congress now...
Still would like to understand if Hillary buying a foreign dossier regarding trump and leaking it to the people during the election is legal and ethical


As for lying......I suppose this lie is fine!

https://pagesix.com/2019/04/19/kim-f...smollett-case/
16 Hours Ago 08:17 PM
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You obviously haven’t gotten the memo. It was written over two hundred years ago.


Our system of Justice is such that a Prosecutor either has enough evidence to charge a person of a crime , or enough reasoning to believe they can convince a jury of the accused peers beyond a reasonable doubt of guilt. There isn’t any middle ground. Period.

A citizen is under no obligation to prove his innocence when accused of a crime, the obligation is on the government to prove guilt. The defendant answers that charge with a defense.

This is true for any American citizen including the POTUS.

The only thing “ clear as day “ is that there are absolutely no charges to any American regarding any “ collusion “ with the Russian Government regarding the 2016 election. Nothing. Zero. Unless that changes you can believe whatever you want, but our system trumps your beliefs.
And you can’t “ obstruct” something that isn’t a crime. No evidence of a crime. No charges of a crime relating to Russians and the election. Nothing to obstruct.
Hey sh.it for brains... you need a civics class.
Obstruction does not need an underlying crime... show us where it says otherwise...
The only thing that is as clear as day is that the Russians interfered with the 2016 election (note the point of the Mueller investigation) and the Repugs have been caught with their hands in the till. Its up to Congress now...
18 Hours Ago 06:51 PM
Unregistered ^^^^^^^^^- You Can’t indict a sitting President-^^^^^^^*
That’s your no middle ground, now go back and read what the OP said about Obstruction but more importantly Conspiracy to Obstruct!

Take the blinders off young fellow, even the Fox News lawyers agree with that.
The talk is Collusion only, they can’t defend the other Obstruct calls by the President so the topic is kept hush
18 Hours Ago 06:44 PM
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(1)There is no statue of a criminal charge for the “ Conspiracy to Collude” however it is a Federal Crime to receive hacked(stolen) emails such as the case with Podesta, also it is not a crime to tell Millions of people on National TV that you’d like Russia to find or get Clinton’s lost emails.... but those are the things an American candidate running for President should NOT endorse or do, it creates and thrives for Foreign entity’s to infiltrate our Democratic election. Mueller could not charge Trump for collusion but Comey still stands by his statement that he had said from day one and that is “Trump words and actions were like he had been compromised by the Russians “ so his duty to the American people is to investigate the suspicious nature of Trump. I would have wanted him to do the same against a Democrat Candidate if the circumstances was the same.

(2) it is clear in the Mueller report Trump “ conspired to Obstruct Justice” not once but dozens of times.
Obstructing Justice is a Federal crime and many if not all of the Trump supporters are in belief there’s only one statue for Obstructing. Trump Conspired to Obstruct (telling Staff members to do the job) Conspiring to Obstruct is a crime , Obstructing is also.
Mueller was not an “ Independent counsel “ that title is now called a Special Counsel which means Mueller can only submit his findings to the AG appointed by Trump
It also means Mueller cannot suggest or recommend Donald Trump be charged with Conspiracy to Obstruct. Only the AG can indict the President which we know he did not and will not
In the report it’s clear as day the President DID conspire to Obstruct but you cannot indict s sitting President.
So as it stands he’s guilty but got away with it.
You obviously haven’t gotten the memo. It was written over two hundred years ago.


Our system of Justice is such that a Prosecutor either has enough evidence to charge a person of a crime , or enough reasoning to believe they can convince a jury of the accused peers beyond a reasonable doubt of guilt. There isn’t any middle ground. Period.

A citizen is under no obligation to prove his innocence when accused of a crime, the obligation is on the government to prove guilt. The defendant answers that charge with a defense.

This is true for any American citizen including the POTUS.

The only thing “ clear as day “ is that there are absolutely no charges to any American regarding any “ collusion “ with the Russian Government regarding the 2016 election. Nothing. Zero. Unless that changes you can believe whatever you want, but our system trumps your beliefs.
And you can’t “ obstruct” something that isn’t a crime. No evidence of a crime. No charges of a crime relating to Russians and the election. Nothing to obstruct.
19 Hours Ago 05:26 PM
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Love that one leg of the three legged toilet that is the New Democrats in Congress filed impeachment papers. Going to back fire on the dems.
https://nypost.com/2019/04/19/judge-...-gun-violence/

Need more dem judges like this.....pathetic.

https://nypost.com/2019/04/19/judge-...-gun-violence/
19 Hours Ago 05:23 PM
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(1)There is no statue of a criminal charge for the “ Conspiracy to Collude” however it is a Federal Crime to receive hacked(stolen) emails such as the case with Podesta, also it is not a crime to tell Millions of people on National TV that you’d like Russia to find or get Clinton’s lost emails.... but those are the things an American candidate running for President should NOT endorse or do, it creates and thrives for Foreign entity’s to infiltrate our Democratic election. Mueller could not charge Trump for collusion but Comey still stands by his statement that he had said from day one and that is “Trump words and actions were like he had been compromised by the Russians “ so his duty to the American people is to investigate the suspicious nature of Trump. I would have wanted him to do the same against a Democrat Candidate if the circumstances was the same.

(2) it is clear in the Mueller report Trump “ conspired to Obstruct Justice” not once but dozens of times.
Obstructing Justice is a Federal crime and many if not all of the Trump supporters are in belief there’s only one statue for Obstructing. Trump Conspired to Obstruct (telling Staff members to do the job) Conspiring to Obstruct is a crime , Obstructing is also.
Mueller was not an “ Independent counsel “ that title is now called a Special Counsel which means Mueller can only submit his findings to the AG appointed by Trump
It also means Mueller cannot suggest or recommend Donald Trump be charged with Conspiracy to Obstruct. Only the AG can indict the President which we know he did not and will not
In the report it’s clear as day the President DID conspire to Obstruct but you cannot indict s sitting President.
So as it stands he’s guilty but got away with it.
Love that one leg of the three legged toilet that is the New Democrats in Congress filed impeachment papers. Going to back fire on the dems.
21 Hours Ago 04:05 PM
Unregistered (1)There is no statue of a criminal charge for the “ Conspiracy to Collude” however it is a Federal Crime to receive hacked(stolen) emails such as the case with Podesta, also it is not a crime to tell Millions of people on National TV that you’d like Russia to find or get Clinton’s lost emails.... but those are the things an American candidate running for President should NOT endorse or do, it creates and thrives for Foreign entity’s to infiltrate our Democratic election. Mueller could not charge Trump for collusion but Comey still stands by his statement that he had said from day one and that is “Trump words and actions were like he had been compromised by the Russians “ so his duty to the American people is to investigate the suspicious nature of Trump. I would have wanted him to do the same against a Democrat Candidate if the circumstances was the same.

(2) it is clear in the Mueller report Trump “ conspired to Obstruct Justice” not once but dozens of times.
Obstructing Justice is a Federal crime and many if not all of the Trump supporters are in belief there’s only one statue for Obstructing. Trump Conspired to Obstruct (telling Staff members to do the job) Conspiring to Obstruct is a crime , Obstructing is also.
Mueller was not an “ Independent counsel “ that title is now called a Special Counsel which means Mueller can only submit his findings to the AG appointed by Trump
It also means Mueller cannot suggest or recommend Donald Trump be charged with Conspiracy to Obstruct. Only the AG can indict the President which we know he did not and will not
In the report it’s clear as day the President DID conspire to Obstruct but you cannot indict s sitting President.
So as it stands he’s guilty but got away with it.
21 Hours Ago 03:48 PM
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Mueller found Zero collusion-

he found 10 instances where an innocent man objected to the investigation- you can call it obstruction if you want
nobody but you and 10 other losers care
Too funny... you obviously have not read the report (or your head is in its usual anal orifice position).... Mueller explained at some great length that 'collusion' was not a crime and that they..."evaluated potentially criminal conduct that involved the collective action of multiple individuals not under the rubric of "collusion," but through the lens of conspiracy law (p180) i.e. he was focusing on "conspiracy." i.e. the report says nothing about collusion .... the only time that the words "no collusion" appear in the report are when it quotes liar tRUMP and his various associated lying goons.

The Mueller report does however say that the Trump campaign “expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.” hmmm... now if that were Obama, McConnell would be getting a public abortion about now... though you would still be on your knees licking Donaldo's unwiped ass...
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