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05-21-2017 05:36 PM
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So you're talking about maybe less than 1% who might ever be good enough to play professionally or make the NT. We turn out just a few players able to crack a top D1 team. The remaining 95%? Plenty of them would still like to play for their HS even though they are "serious" about soccer. Some HS soccer is awful but certainly not all. It also gives players opportunities to be leaders, play different positions than they might not normally (good for development) and have to think and play differently when they know their teammates have deficiencies.
There is zero development happening in High School soccer
05-21-2017 04:55 PM
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So you're talking about maybe less than 1% who might ever be good enough to play professionally or make the NT. We turn out just a few players able to crack a top D1 team. The remaining 95%? Plenty of them would still like to play for their HS even though they are "serious" about soccer. Some HS soccer is awful but certainly not all. It also gives players opportunities to be leaders, play different positions than they might not normally (good for development) and have to think and play differently when they know their teammates have deficiencies.
Yes, and one of the reasons for turning out poor numbers is High School Soccer
05-21-2017 04:15 PM
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The problem with expansion is that you need solid clubs to invite in. There are areas of the country that simply don't have that, or even have much of a soccer culture at all. Expand in an around areas where DA is already entrenched and again you let in clubs and players that shouldn't be there. Such a proposal is more about grabbing market share and will result in watering it down even further.
Neither describes South Texas.

The area is heavily Latino, and has a first-rate soccer culture (far better than here I'd wager). It wouldn't be diluting existing DA academies--you think FC Dallas and Houston Dynamo's academies can cover all of Texas? (Keep in mind, Texas has nearly three times the land area of Oregon, and over six times the population).

And while I would worry about dilution, there needs to be a happy medium between a system that is too exclusive, and turns away top prospects, and a system that lets everyone in and basically becomes another competing club soccer league. In general, I would figure out the number of top-rated prospects in an age group--and then pick enough players to round out a team, plus a B team/reserve team to keep the A team honest--with at least a few B team slots to be staffed based on a tryout.

(Speaking of such tryouts--if we are going to have them, perhaps a "non-club tryout" might be useful, to identify those players who DON'T play in the club system? If you play for a club, at least one of the big ones, and you are good, chances are the TA staff already knows about you).
05-21-2017 03:41 PM
Unregistered It will be interesting to see what club announces for Oregon ENPL next year. I only hope it's not one with a history of producing mediocre players.
05-21-2017 12:55 PM
Unregistered The problem with expansion is that you need solid clubs to invite in. There are areas of the country that simply don't have that, or even have much of a soccer culture at all. Expand in an around areas where DA is already entrenched and again you let in clubs and players that shouldn't be there. Such a proposal is more about grabbing market share and will result in watering it down even further.
05-21-2017 12:55 PM
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I disagree with you on all points. High School soccer is a waste of time for the serious player. The varied talent level on each team causes it to be a mess and relys too heavily on athleticism not technical ability.

You can leave HS soccer but lets be clear it is not for a player that has aspirations of playing at a good Div. I school or better
So you're talking about maybe less than 1% who might ever be good enough to play professionally or make the NT. We turn out just a few players able to crack a top D1 team. The remaining 95%? Plenty of them would still like to play for their HS even though they are "serious" about soccer. Some HS soccer is awful but certainly not all. It also gives players opportunities to be leaders, play different positions than they might not normally (good for development) and have to think and play differently when they know their teammates have deficiencies.
05-20-2017 07:04 PM
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In the US, high school COMPETITION has always brought out the best in athletes. In theory the DAP is a good idea, but playing virtually year-round, driving hours and hours, to play in front of a few parents, is just not the way to go. Leave High School soccer in place and play the Academy system in the off season.

Not to mention that there is very little development going on in the academy. The kids that are making their way up to the national teams were already great when they came into the national team program. Dap coaching is woefully lacking.
I disagree with you on all points. High School soccer is a waste of time for the serious player. The varied talent level on each team causes it to be a mess and relys too heavily on athleticism not technical ability.

You can leave HS soccer but lets be clear it is not for a player that has aspirations of playing at a good Div. I school or better
05-19-2017 07:57 PM
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In the US, high school COMPETITION has always brought out the best in athletes. In theory the DAP is a good idea, but playing virtually year-round, driving hours and hours, to play in front of a few parents, is just not the way to go. Leave High School soccer in place and play the Academy system in the off season.

Not to mention that there is very little development going on in the academy. The kids that are making their way up to the national teams were already great when they came into the national team program. Dap coaching is woefully lacking.
Development for professional route.
Do club or DA, go to college, graduate and maybe play professionally.
Do club o DA, go to college, go Generation adidas

Club ball typically means playing HS ball, but not always
There was an article written several years ago where the author complained about college ball messing up the quality of players moving on to the National team.
05-19-2017 07:18 PM
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Judging by the number of boys' championships this year at the HS ages, I'd say Westside.

FC's U17s were excellent this year too.

Of course, that depends on where you live. I'm not sure I'd drive too far for HS club soccer--and if your DS is not the sort of talent that already has college scouts drooling (you'd know if he was), you need to be marketing him to them--there are plenty of scholarships and roster slots for non-star players, but limited recruiting budget. College coaches are interested in players, not clubs.

Beyond that, see what tournaments (especially showcases) a club participates in--college coaches are more likely to scout those than they are to show up at an OYSA league game, unless there is a specific player they want to see.

There is a boys' ECNL starting this fall, but they have no teams in the Pacific Northwest.

Also--depending on where you live and how dedicated you are to getting him a scholarship; you might consider what high school you play for. If the neighborhood HS is a football factory in which the boys' soccer team is a joke, you might look at options--an in-district transfer, an elite athletic private school (like Jesuit), etc. OTOH, many are of the opinion that even the best HS soccer is still a bad joke, and you are better off focusing on club soccer.

Good luck!
This thoughtful reply was appreciated! My son is an 04 and so far we e seen the little DA clubs are all factories for mediocre training and are just pools for kids that didn't make academy. The test in this group will be to see who drops out of DA next year to play in high school unless little da becomes the joke everyone says it is and allows boys to play high school soccer and continue this three day a week only training. Have not gone out to see Westside yet and it does sound like it's worth a look.
05-19-2017 06:49 PM
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In the US, high school COMPETITION has always brought out the best in athletes. In theory the DAP is a good idea, but playing virtually year-round, driving hours and hours, to play in front of a few parents, is just not the way to go. Leave High School soccer in place and play the Academy system in the off season.

Not to mention that there is very little development going on in the academy. The kids that are making their way up to the national teams were already great when they came into the national team program. Dap coaching is woefully lacking.
They have exceptional facilities now. A rock to build upon with coaches who are adaptable and learning humans. One coached my sons basketball and he was super energetic.
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