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    InStat: Good or Bad

    Looking at the articles from Soccer-Wire about InStat players and it doesn't seem right.

    TOP 50 ECNL https://www.soccerwire.com/news/top-...dex-fall-2020/

    TOP 50 GA https://www.soccerwire.com/news/top-...dex-fall-2020/

    What InStat is https://instatsport.com/football/instat_index

    For ECNL I don't see any PDA north teams while it lists 2 Penn Fusion (a u13 and a u14) and a SUSA u14. The #3 person is a u13?

    For GA #2+3 are u14 and #4 is a u13?

    Sure, I get that some ages in some leagues didn't didn't play fall but this is out of the entire country not just our area. Our team doesn't use it but just how accurate is this tool?
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    Very few clubs are using it.
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      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Looking at the articles from Soccer-Wire about InStat players and it doesn't seem right.

      TOP 50 ECNL https://www.soccerwire.com/news/top-...dex-fall-2020/

      TOP 50 GA https://www.soccerwire.com/news/top-...dex-fall-2020/

      What InStat is https://instatsport.com/football/instat_index

      For ECNL I don't see any PDA north teams while it lists 2 Penn Fusion (a u13 and a u14) and a SUSA u14. The #3 person is a u13?

      For GA #2+3 are u14 and #4 is a u13?

      Sure, I get that some ages in some leagues didn't didn't play fall but this is out of the entire country not just our area. Our team doesn't use it but just how accurate is this tool?
      Your question implies you should probably not be looking at it. Tool for what? Publications have realized that anything that ranks players is clickbait.
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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Very few clubs are using it.
        What are the ones that are using it for?
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          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Looking at the articles from Soccer-Wire about InStat players and it doesn't seem right.

          TOP 50 ECNL https://www.soccerwire.com/news/top-...dex-fall-2020/

          TOP 50 GA https://www.soccerwire.com/news/top-...dex-fall-2020/

          What InStat is https://instatsport.com/football/instat_index

          For ECNL I don't see any PDA north teams while it lists 2 Penn Fusion (a u13 and a u14) and a SUSA u14. The #3 person is a u13?

          For GA #2+3 are u14 and #4 is a u13?

          Sure, I get that some ages in some leagues didn't didn't play fall but this is out of the entire country not just our area. Our team doesn't use it but just how accurate is this tool?
          You are a tool. Your kid ain’t good enough! Lolol!!!
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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Looking at the articles from Soccer-Wire about InStat players and it doesn't seem right.

            TOP 50 ECNL https://www.soccerwire.com/news/top-...dex-fall-2020/

            TOP 50 GA https://www.soccerwire.com/news/top-...dex-fall-2020/

            What InStat is https://instatsport.com/football/instat_index

            For ECNL I don't see any PDA north teams while it lists 2 Penn Fusion (a u13 and a u14) and a SUSA u14. The #3 person is a u13?

            For GA #2+3 are u14 and #4 is a u13?

            Sure, I get that some ages in some leagues didn't didn't play fall but this is out of the entire country not just our area. Our team doesn't use it but just how accurate is this tool?
            Another gimmick to fool the American youth soccer population, who do these guys think they are Real Madrid??? Enough with this BS, this is youth girls soccer!
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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Very few clubs are using it.
              I believe GA has a deal with them to use it and some ECNL clubs use it.
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                Is InStat like Hudl Assist?
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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Another gimmick to fool the American youth soccer population, who do these guys think they are Real Madrid??? Enough with this BS, this is youth girls soccer!
                  It's a joke. As posted above generally clickbait that parents can email their family members about. What data is there showing this is in anyway predictive of success in college?
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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    It's a joke. As posted above generally clickbait that parents can email their family members about. What data is there showing this is in anyway predictive of success in college?
                    give me an example of some data that does? Exactly. the marketing of the product has very little connection with soccer success. Girls soccer is about being good enough to get preferred access to the group of schools that suit your kid. Those may or may not be good at soccer. After the fact, parents try and justify the soccer part based of where they "could" have gone.All seems a bit uneccessary
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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      It's a joke. As posted above generally clickbait that parents can email their family members about. What data is there showing this is in anyway predictive of success in college?
                      From what little I have seen of the data given out it does show some interesting numbers. Lost balls, defensive challenges won/lost, touches, completed passes, time played...etc on a per person basis. Would think it would be real helpful to see a statistical breakdown by a 3rd party to see an honest evaluation on a per game basis. What was interesting to me was the numbers of the favorites vs the numbers of the bench players and that some of the coaches favs were not actually as consistent or even overall better then some of the bench players. It also pointed out ball hogs as their over all touches were as much as 3-4x higher then the average.

                      So, I guess it could be useful analytics as long as the coach actually abided by it and not his feeling on favorite players.
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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        I believe GA has a deal with them to use it and some ECNL clubs use it.
                        It’s a complete fallacy, another marketing ploy. Seriously lads this is not the pros and not needed at all. This is going way too far, as girls football is not exactly the premiership.
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          It’s a complete fallacy, another marketing ploy. Seriously lads this is not the pros and not needed at all. This is going way too far, as girls football is not exactly the premiership.
                          Correct, but as the previous poster pointed out, having more data available can help the coach/trainer see where a player or teams short falls are and what can be done to work on them. If the coach wants to take the beer goggles off and treat each player based on the data and not who has the loudest or most influential parents.

                          You have the number right in front of you to show why a player is getting less time and another is getting more. Most would understand that and find solutions to help improve the player.

                          If you are a good/fair coach players will want to play for you. If you're a douche who only panders to a small handful of players then not so much.
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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Correct, but as the previous poster pointed out, having more data available can help the coach/trainer see where a player or teams short falls are and what can be done to work on them. If the coach wants to take the beer goggles off and treat each player based on the data and not who has the loudest or most influential parents.

                            You have the number right in front of you to show why a player is getting less time and another is getting more. Most would understand that and find solutions to help improve the player.

                            If you are a good/fair coach players will want to play for you. If you're a douche who only panders to a small handful of players then not so much.
                            Just shut up and license this platform for your kid now.
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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              It’s a complete fallacy, another marketing ploy. Seriously lads this is not the pros and not needed at all. This is going way too far, as girls football is not exactly the premiership.

                              Concept itself is fine, but the data is only as good as the inputs. Its is very useful at higher levels where the competition is more consistent and you are looking for certain profiles to build teams/get an edge.

                              The way it is being "sold" by some as an absolute measure of a players ability is wrong and misleading. That should not be a surprise to anyone. Truth and honesty in youth sports is hard to find, especially in girls soccer, when there is no incentive to do so.
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