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    Drifting back to clubs from HS soccer...

    Now that high school soccer season is slowly coming to a close and kids are drifting back to their club teams, how bad is the damage? Seems pretty hair raising to see the decline in skills, the change in play, listen to the kids complain, “That’s what my high school coach told me to do!”

    Defenders banging the ball down the field instead of finding someone’s feet: “My school coaches yelled Away Away every time I tried to pass out from the back."

    One touch, quick passing game gone.
    "My coach told me my passes aren’t “long enough.”

    Kids ignoring the other side of the field.
    "We weren’t allowed to switch fields, Coach said, it's too risky."

    First touch gone in your kid and her teammates.
    " The only drills we did all fall were shooting and keep away."

    Not just that they spent the fall with coaches playing a brutally direct, over the top kick . Some HS coaches apparently are outright anti-club. “Kick that ball down the field, you’re not playing for your club.” Or my favorite: “The aim here isn’t to play pretty soccer, to say to mom and dad, look at how you’re getting your money’s worth for your $4000. This is high school. The aim is to win.”

    My own youngest, while she looked forward to the social aspect of HS soccer, is disillusioned after a fall of watching coaches yell even at upper class players who play for some of the state’s best club teams for doing things that she knows she would do too. Doesn’t relish three more years of “schizophrenic soccer,” having to forget most of what she’s learned or get yelled at for it.

    Seems especially a problem for girls. From what i’ve seen of boys HS, it’s marginally better, actually play some soccer. But it’s irrelevant. On the boys side if you have any ambitions at all there are the MLS academies and the independent ones that play against them, which is where you need to be.

    With the folding of the US soccer academy program, however, girls who don’t want to be subjected to HS have fewer options. Some academy fall play, but not enough. ECNL’s approach, meanwhile, makes me feel bad for quality kids from small school districts or places where the HS coach is not very good (is that redundant?). Those kids basically condemned to no meaningful soccer in the fall throughout HS.

    Or are there other options, short of finding some expensive private high school where they play good soccer?

    #2
    Oh look it’s a club doc lamenting the awful impact one HS season had on their HS age players. The only answer must be to skip the ecnl and run to GA. So nysc, lisc, FSA or sta? You must work at one of them.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Oh look it’s a club doc lamenting the awful impact one HS season had on their HS age players. The only answer must be to skip the ecnl and run to GA. So nysc, lisc, FSA or sta? You must work at one of them.
      ECNL does it right, still the best league and does not try to compete with HS soccer, unlike GA which is desperate to show how it’s different but misses the mark by overdoing it.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        ECNL does it right, still the best league and does not try to compete with HS soccer, unlike GA which is desperate to show how it’s different but misses the mark by overdoing it.
        Abandoning kids to the mediocrity that is HS soccer in many so school districts isn’t doing it right. If it was, the MLS academies would have all failed too. Instead they have become the standard in boys soccer for the best players, and HS the afterthought for any kid who is going anywhere. Why should the girl’s game be any different?

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          #5
          What garbage HSs and clubs are you looking at? My kids HS team is horrible, absolutely dreadful.....BUT they play out of the back field, work the ball up the field and pass. Supposed to look like Barca but looks more like Lampoons Presents HS Soccer Season.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Abandoning kids to the mediocrity that is HS soccer in many so school districts isn’t doing it right. If it was, the MLS academies would have all failed too. Instead they have become the standard in boys soccer for the best players, and HS the afterthought for any kid who is going anywhere. Why should the girl’s game be any different?
            The boys side is a completely different animal than the girls, but even then it's basically the MLS clubs and then all the B teams many of whom aren't much better than other options. Giving up HS for those players - that will never, ever go pro or nearly all never see a top D1 roster - makes little sense for them. If they want to play HS they should have the option to. If you're playing for free at an MLS club then no, HS should be off the table for you. The HS issues was a big reason why GDA failed. Too many girls wanted it and ECNL still offered it. BDA got to build momentum over the years because there was no strong 2nd option that offered kids HS. Now many B team players are wondering if it's really worth it all.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Abandoning kids to the mediocrity that is HS soccer in many so school districts isn’t doing it right. If it was, the MLS academies would have all failed too. Instead they have become the standard in boys soccer for the best players, and HS the afterthought for any kid who is going anywhere. Why should the girl’s game be any different?
              Very simply because girls/women’s soccer does not have a pathway to NWSL academies and ECNL is the best league for the best players for college purposes and last time I checked they let the girls play HS. The GA is selling something in playing during the HS season that simply does not make sense and is not needed, let alone creates lots of unnecessary conflict, overuse injuries etc.

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                #8
                I only observed a few hs games as my daughter is still middle school but what struck me as a big concern is the physicality and poor officiating of the high school games. Girls were running straight into players, not making a play for the ball at all, and refs would let it go. And the 2 man crew working on opposite sidelines misses a ton of stuff in the middle of the field.

                Those lead to the long ball playing style as much as any coaching instructions, if not more.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  I only observed a few hs games as my daughter is still middle school but what struck me as a big concern is the physicality and poor officiating of the high school games. Girls were running straight into players, not making a play for the ball at all, and refs would let it go. And the 2 man crew working on opposite sidelines misses a ton of stuff in the middle of the field.

                  Those lead to the long ball playing style as much as any coaching instructions, if not more.
                  Except for the 3 man crew vs 2 man crew you are also largely describing college soccer, very physical and very direct cup and down play with tons of long balls and random clearances out of the back.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    I only observed a few hs games as my daughter is still middle school but what struck me as a big concern is the physicality and poor officiating of the high school games. Girls were running straight into players, not making a play for the ball at all, and refs would let it go. And the 2 man crew working on opposite sidelines misses a ton of stuff in the middle of the field.

                    Those lead to the long ball playing style as much as any coaching instructions, if not more.
                    Take our word for it - your kid will still most likely want to play on her HS team. If she does, let her. For all it's faults playing in HS still is very meaningful to most players.

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                      #11
                      Bloodbath for us this year, and not being overly dramatic. We have three kids who are stuck with their private schools, and if they leave they will need to be remote full time. So, they won't be back it looks like. We had our best player tear her ACL and suffered a fracture, so she's out for the year. Another showed up in a boot with a high-ankle sprain and won't be back for another month; and one more (a goalie) is recovering from a dislocated shoulder. Two more suffering from more minor ailments and should be baack within a couple of weeks.

                      At this point, HS took out half the roster. How anyone - player, team, club, league - considers that a worthwhile exercise is beyond me.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Bloodbath for us this year, and not being overly dramatic. We have three kids who are stuck with their private schools, and if they leave they will need to be remote full time. So, they won't be back it looks like. We had our best player tear her ACL and suffered a fracture, so she's out for the year. Another showed up in a boot with a high-ankle sprain and won't be back for another month; and one more (a goalie) is recovering from a dislocated shoulder. Two more suffering from more minor ailments and should be baack within a couple of weeks.

                        At this point, HS took out half the roster. How anyone - player, team, club, league - considers that a worthwhile exercise is beyond me.
                        Survey the players. 95% will be glad they played.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Survey the players. 95% will be glad they played.
                          LOL, keep telling yourself that.

                          Nothing but complaints about it to those who didn't. I certainly know that ACC D1 prospect is regretting it as she goes under the knife next week.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            LOL, keep telling yourself that.

                            Nothing but complaints about it to those who didn't. I certainly know that ACC D1 prospect is regretting it as she goes under the knife next week.
                            yeah injuries never happen in club soccer

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              LOL, keep telling yourself that.

                              Nothing but complaints about it to those who didn't. I certainly know that ACC D1 prospect is regretting it as she goes under the knife next week.
                              I held my breath watching every high school game my daughter played in because of the much higher risk of injuries. You cannot equate high school soccer vs. club soccer. Not only is the skill level much lower but you have players who have no idea what they are doing on the field. They are there not because they are more skillful but just more athletic than the alternative. Every time my daughter would dribble and carry the ball people would either try to trip her, knock her down or stick there leg out to try and stop her. The fact most of these players are not fast, quick or even in shape to run the field for a full game makes them very dangerous. Don’t get me started about headers or going up for a ball in the air where I have seen not only concussions but broken and bloody noses. Heading the ball should be outlawed in high school. That being said my daughter loved playing with her classmates and that’s what matters. Do not compare the chances of injury in high school vs. club.

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