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    How are clubs and families planning to deal with the finances of club soccer over the coming months. A few issues:

    1. It seems that clubs generally have not provided refunds for 19/20, although families obviously are not getting a big chunk of what they paid for (state cup for all youngers, most of season for hs girls).

    2. HS boys tryouts were before the lockdown and presumably bills went out when kids committed. Are clubs charging for the 20/21 season they don’t yet know will happen? Are families paying?

    3. The financial problems really start in May, when youngers and hs girls would normally try out and clubs would normally get a big chunk of their annual revenues in up front payments. Are families really going to pay when they don’t know how much, if any, club soccer there will be for the next few months? For teams that would normally travel, there’s no certainty as to whether away games or tournaments over the summer will happen. People usually have a good idea what they are paying for and are going to get with club soccer, but this year they really don’t. Are clubs nonetheless going to ask families to pay the same amount or more for next year without any “out” if kids aren’t able to train or play?

    4. Club revenues could be down, and down a lot, over the next few months. Fewer families will be able or willing to pay club fees, particularly for new families where the only exposure to the club has been some sort of virtual tryout. Families that normally pay up front for a big chunk of the year will be less willing or able to do so. Tournament cancellations will begin hitting Memorial Day, which will impact the teams hosting tournaments. The various reopening guidelines currently project we will be able to start reopening some things and having gatherings of 10 or fewer around May 18, but gatherings or 50 or more would be at best a month later— that probably means June is scratched and July is a real uncertainty. If that’s right it’s going to be very tough for a lot of clubs to maintain their payrolls even if they were able to take advantage of the CARES Act (not sure which if any did).

    #2
    With GIRLS HS soccer starting in Aug. you may get 2 months of training only. Realistically your paying for 6 months of soccer to train for 2. Teams will add kids @ ECNL time (Dec) especially if tryout numbers are down. Have a great summer see u after HS. ✌️

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      #3
      My kid played for EFC last season. The cost is $2400 for 2020-2021 season. No mention of the cup fees or party fund they collected last season.

      I'm not going to commit to any team yet because what if soccer doesn't begin until September or October? Are they going to extend the season so that families receive 10 months of soccer? Or will families pay 2400, for 5-6 months of soccer.

      If one club has an outbreak, will they shut down for a few days or weeks?

      We aren''t planning on returning to EFC, not a good fit, will look at other clubs and sign up when we are sure soccer will begin.

      We want to see what safety measures each club will put in place, to protect players and families from covid.

      We signed up for lots of camps and extra trainings last year. Plan to be more selective this season.

      Though our finances haven't changed, soccer has become less important in the grand scheme of things.

      Many unknowns. Hope a vaccine is available soon.

      Stay safe everyone.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        With GIRLS HS soccer starting in Aug. you may get 2 months of training only. Realistically your paying for 6 months of soccer to train for 2. Teams will add kids @ ECNL time (Dec) especially if tryout numbers are down. Have a great summer see u after HS. ✌️
        Bingo....

        Here is a best case scenario for High School School aged girls:

        Once things fire back up, you will get less than 10 practices in before they shut it down at the end of July for vacations and High School Soccer.

        Maybe 1 tourney this summer if they open it up (not likely)

        Come back in January for 4 to 5 months.

        But of course they want you to commit for a full year now with a deposit and no idea what team you will be playing on.

        I would rather come back in January and pay a prorated season.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          With GIRLS HS soccer starting in Aug. you may get 2 months of training only. Realistically your paying for 6 months of soccer to train for 2. Teams will add kids @ ECNL time (Dec) especially if tryout numbers are down. Have a great summer see u after HS. ✌️
          Only ECNL club that I know that adds players mid-season even with a full roster is Crossfire. B team parents of Crossfire: This means your little Mia will never ever be moved up to ECNL.

          The other ECNL clubs take 18 max players, unless something has changed recently. Only reason I can see this cavalier attitude is that your player is very, very good and you are financially unstable. If a club has room and your player is a game changer, I can see your scenario.

          I agree that the club needs to be fair about charging fees across the club. But having this belief that your kid can waltz in mid-season into an ECNL club because you didn't want to pay 4 more months of money, that is some pretty big soccer ballz.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            How are clubs and families planning to deal with the finances of club soccer over the coming months. A few issues:

            1. It seems that clubs generally have not provided refunds for 19/20, although families obviously are not getting a big chunk of what they paid for (state cup for all youngers, most of season for hs girls).

            2. HS boys tryouts were before the lockdown and presumably bills went out when kids committed. Are clubs charging for the 20/21 season they don’t yet know will happen? Are families paying?

            3. The financial problems really start in May, when youngers and hs girls would normally try out and clubs would normally get a big chunk of their annual revenues in up front payments. Are families really going to pay when they don’t know how much, if any, club soccer there will be for the next few months? For teams that would normally travel, there’s no certainty as to whether away games or tournaments over the summer will happen. People usually have a good idea what they are paying for and are going to get with club soccer, but this year they really don’t. Are clubs nonetheless going to ask families to pay the same amount or more for next year without any “out” if kids aren’t able to train or play?

            4. Club revenues could be down, and down a lot, over the next few months. Fewer families will be able or willing to pay club fees, particularly for new families where the only exposure to the club has been some sort of virtual tryout. Families that normally pay up front for a big chunk of the year will be less willing or able to do so. Tournament cancellations will begin hitting Memorial Day, which will impact the teams hosting tournaments. The various reopening guidelines currently project we will be able to start reopening some things and having gatherings of 10 or fewer around May 18, but gatherings or 50 or more would be at best a month later— that probably means June is scratched and July is a real uncertainty. If that’s right it’s going to be very tough for a lot of clubs to maintain their payrolls even if they were able to take advantage of the CARES Act (not sure which if any did).
            We were offered a refund from PAC. Or we could receive a credit against next year's fees. it wasn't much money but it was a help for sure.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              We were offered a refund from PAC. Or we could receive a credit against next year's fees. it wasn't much money but it was a help for sure.
              I don't need a refund, but offers like that speak volumes to that club's character and beliefs at a time when some families are struggling.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                We were offered a refund from PAC. Or we could receive a credit against next year's fees. it wasn't much money but it was a help for sure.
                just out of curiosity, is Pac offering all kids refunds? or do you need to ask?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  just out of curiosity, is Pac offering all kids refunds? or do you need to ask?
                  it was offered to everyone. you just went to a web form and selected whehter you wanted a refund or a credit for next seeason. the amount depended on the age group of your player.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    My kid played for EFC last season. The cost is $2400 for 2020-2021 season. No mention of the cup fees or party fund they collected last season.

                    I'm not going to commit to any team yet because what if soccer doesn't begin until September or October? Are they going to extend the season so that families receive 10 months of soccer? Or will families pay 2400, for 5-6 months of soccer.

                    Re: EFC - My understanding is that other than the registration fee to sign up for the next year, fees will be collected on a monthly basis at the time regular practices and operations start. So if practices don't start until October, no monthly fees until October

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                      #11
                      Dear EFC Families,

                      We appreciate your patience as we finalize the team placement process. Registration for the 2020-21 season will begin this Friday, May 1st for current EFC players, new 2012 players and players from outside the club who have communicated with the EFC coaching staff AND were NOT part of an RCL club last year. Invitation letters will be sent on May 1st, and it will be very helpful for everyone to register by May 3rd. We have stayed engaged over the last several weeks, and we have compiled a short list of FAQ’s below. All registration information is available on the EFC website at www.eastsidefc.org/tryouts . We look forward to seeing all of you and getting back to playing soccer!

                      Thank you.

                      Eastside FC



                      EFC member FAQ’s

                      Q: Why did you change to a 10-month payment plan?

                      A: Our goal is to make the financial aspects of playing as easy as possible by providing additional flexibility to address the fluidity and uncertainty of when we will be back on the field. There is still an option to pay in full if you wish.



                      Q: What happens if Covid-19 requires additional shutdowns?

                      A: We will evaluate and adjust programming and payments to reflect field time missed due to government mandated restrictions or cancellations due to Covid-19. Any financial reconciliation due to virus-related shutdowns will be processed at the end of the season (April 30, 2021).



                      Q: Will there be any credits for missed events from the 2019-‘20 season?

                      A: Impacts to individuals and teams are varied and diverse, so there is no easy answer here. There is also no common approach among clubs in the region or guidance from Washington Youth Soccer. The Board has chosen a forward-looking approach to provide team-level credits for events that were cancelled as a result of government mandated restrictions due to the Covid-19 pandemic. As a club, we were very active in working with coaches to pioneer ways to support our members’ soccer progression by creating online and social-distance learning opportunities. We are now working on establishing a per team credit generally representing funds for cancelled events that could be used as each 2020-’21 team sees fit. We are still working on the final amounts, but we believe that it will budget out to be about $40 per returning player per team.



                      Q: Will we be travelling this year?

                      A: We are anticipating less travel, if any, this summer and will evaluate further when we reach the Fall.



                      Q: Do we have to buy uniforms?

                      A: Yes. Like all RCL clubs, we have a 2-year uniform cycle, and for a variety of reasons we must stick to this schedule. We have reduced the mandatory items to a cost of about $280. You can still buy the optional items.

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                        #12
                        A few things rub me the wrong way here:

                        1. No plan on if soccer doesn't return in a timely manner. So say if no soccer until September, what will my credit be? Other clubs are stating no fees owed until practices start up. EFC says we will let you know at the end of the year.

                        2. If no soccer until August, High School wont get on the filed until Dec/Jan. So pay a full year for 4 months of soccer. What if Inslee shelters in place again for the winter during flu season.....we all know he will.

                        3. The club makes money on uniform sales. Why not forego making a profit and pass the savings onto the parents.

                        4. What happens if I wait until January to sign up?

                        5. $40.00 credit for each player? Oh my.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          A few things rub me the wrong way here:

                          1. No plan on if soccer doesn't return in a timely manner. So say if no soccer until September, what will my credit be? Other clubs are stating no fees owed until practices start up. EFC says we will let you know at the end of the year.

                          2. If no soccer until August, High School wont get on the filed until Dec/Jan. So pay a full year for 4 months of soccer. What if Inslee shelters in place again for the winter during flu season.....we all know he will.

                          3. The club makes money on uniform sales. Why not forego making a profit and pass the savings onto the parents.

                          4. What happens if I wait until January to sign up?

                          5. $40.00 credit for each player? Oh my.
                          I am at EFC and have the same take as you. I can afford it, but it does taste bad. EFC knows us Eastside families can afford it. What I find peculiar is why EFC comes across as needing the cash more than other clubs. I could be wrong, I haven't seen emails sent out to SU, XF, or Pacs families. Shrug

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            I am at EFC and have the same take as you. I can afford it, but it does taste bad. EFC knows us Eastside families can afford it. What I find peculiar is why EFC comes across as needing the cash more than other clubs. I could be wrong, I haven't seen emails sent out to SU, XF, or Pacs families. Shrug
                            Another EFC parent here and I agree with this.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              I am at EFC and have the same take as you. I can afford it, but it does taste bad. EFC knows us Eastside families can afford it. What I find peculiar is why EFC comes across as needing the cash more than other clubs. I could be wrong, I haven't seen emails sent out to SU, XF, or Pacs families. Shrug
                              I may be reading it the wrong way, but other than up front registration fee, I understood EFC plan is that they moved to monthly payments only to be paid when practices actually begin... or if there was another shut down later, the monthly payment would stop. I understand other clubs are still requirement full year or 1/3 - 1/4 payment plans.

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