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    Credit for Development

    This thread started elsewhere but thought an interesting topic to bring up.

    How many years should a player play under a club in order for that club to take credit for his/her development success?

    Would it depend on from what ages?

    What if players augments their club training with camps not affiliated with said club, do the club still claim development?
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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    This thread started elsewhere but thought an interesting topic to bring up.

    How many years should a player play under a club in order for that club to take credit for his/her development success?

    Would it depend on from what ages?

    What if players augments their club training with camps not affiliated with said club, do the club still claim development?
    Completely varies from player to player. No situation is the same.
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      #3
      Ask the player who helped them learn if you want to get to the crux of it.
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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Completely varies from player to player. No situation is the same.
        Agree no situation is the same but it is for sure more than one year. Clubs post online and in social media trying to take credit for their NT call ups when the player had literally just switched to their club and hadnt even played more than one or two games for them.
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          #5
          If they ever played for GPS you can thank them for the development.

          #InKCweTrust
          #DA
          #ECNL
          #PhoenixRising
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            #6
            look at any pro player. So so so so many people will claim to have had a hand in their success. Ask the player to get to the truth of it.
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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              If they ever played for GPS you can thank them for the development.

              #InKCweTrust
              #DA
              #ECNL
              #PhoenixRising
              ???
              GPS is insolvent, the subject of an aggressive FBI criminal investigation, has neither DA or ECNL standing, and continues to slip further and further into the dark abyss.

              #GPSsucks
              #GPSdevelopsnothingfornobody
              #GlobalPieceofSh*te
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                According to FIFA rules, professional teams are required to give clubs training compensation for developing a player between the ages of 12-23. So each club that the player was registered with during those years will get some monetary compensation. So I guess those are the “prime” years for development. As far as who actually developed the kid, like the previous poster said, that would vary from player to player.

                I also wouldn’t automatically dismiss a coach/club who gets a player 2 months before a national team call-up, because an excellent coach/environment can do wonders for a kid who just needs the extra push and imo some coaches can get more out of a kid in two months than another can in 2 years.
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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  According to FIFA rules, professional teams are required to give clubs training compensation for developing a player between the ages of 12-23. So each club that the player was registered with during those years will get some monetary compensation. So I guess those are the “prime” years for development. As far as who actually developed the kid, like the previous poster said, that would vary from player to player.

                  I also wouldn’t automatically dismiss a coach/club who gets a player 2 months before a national team call-up, because an excellent coach/environment can do wonders for a kid who just needs the extra push and imo some coaches can get more out of a kid in two months than another can in 2 years.
                  Some coaches also have connections to the youth national teams and other elite opportunities. Might only take a few months to pull some strings.
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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Some coaches also have connections to the youth national teams and other elite opportunities. Might only take a few months to pull some strings.
                    😆 so true. Or just getting into DA since they clearly are taking nearly 100% DA. Two months of training isn't going to polish a diamond in the rough.
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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      This thread started elsewhere but thought an interesting topic to bring up.

                      How many years should a player play under a club in order for that club to take credit for his/her development success?

                      Would it depend on from what ages?

                      What if players augments their club training with camps not affiliated with said club, do the club still claim development?
                      Clubs should never take credit for development. It is almost entirely to the credit of the player and the player only.
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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Clubs should never take credit for development. It is almost entirely to the credit of the player and the player only.
                        Hmmm....my kid is working her way through HS and she's had 3 coaches who have made a huge impact on her. One was from an old club, one was from futsal, and one from her current club (but last year's coach).

                        She's the first to credit them for pushing her over the edge. In fact, when she left her old club, she asked to go by and talk to him to thank him.

                        She deserves credit, but to say the Clubs do not is not true.

                        As for the OP's question, "it depends". Mostly, it's up to each family to decide, really.
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                          https://www.epysa.org/tryout-initiative-clubs-agreeing/

                          PA friend just sent. MA should consider. Would cut down on poaching...maybe.
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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Hmmm....my kid is working her way through HS and she's had 3 coaches who have made a huge impact on her. One was from an old club, one was from futsal, and one from her current club (but last year's coach).

                            She's the first to credit them for pushing her over the edge. In fact, when she left her old club, she asked to go by and talk to him to thank him.

                            She deserves credit, but to say the Clubs do not is not true.

                            As for the OP's question, "it depends". Mostly, it's up to each family to decide, really.
                            It's really somewhere in between your post and the other one. Some coaches will have more of an impact than others. It's probably about - guessing - 65% player, 25% coach(es), 10% club? I mean the club hires the coaches and maybe directs curriculum, but the club itself really doesn't have that much to do with an individual's development
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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              https://www.epysa.org/tryout-initiative-clubs-agreeing/

                              PA friend just sent. MA should consider. Would cut down on poaching...maybe.
                              Not a fan. Club soccer is a business, big big business. If you aren’t providing a product that a customer wants than they should feel free to go elsewhere. That’s what blows my mind with these clubs. I pay 8,000 a year for my kid to play soccer, and you want to try and tell her that she can’t explore other clubs, and look at other opportunities?? What?? I’m the one paying.

                              And who cares about poaching, a player can only be poached if parents agree, and I’ve never met a parent who wasn’t an adult, so if a parent is manipulated, coerced by another club to switch teams than that’s on them. Youth club soccer should not be about creating super teams or winning championships. It should be about individual player development, so let the kid go.
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