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    Coaches- take a page from hockey's book.

    https://www.usahockey.com/news_article/show/932116

    #2
    Yawn.

    These platitudes apply to all sports, all levels, and all actors.
    Reality of what is and dream of what should be are rare neighbors

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      #3
      It's all recommendations and should be's....Nothing written into regulations. Even DA now has gone from a mandated 25% start time to

      "All U-13 through U-18/19 full-time Academy players, including goalkeepers, are recommended but not required to start in at least 25% of their club’s Academy games during the season."

      Even when it was required plenty of teams fudged numbers, started weak players only in games against weak competition, or started them and yanked them quickly. Why? Because 1) coaches are human and highly competitive and want to win 2) wins matter. Wins get you into playoffs, keep talent coming to your club and not someone else's, and wins help you keep your job.

      Equal PT is a great goal and one that should be achieved at younger ages. Nothing will kill a 9 year old's enthusiasm like not playing much. But once you hit middle school kids need to understand PT is earned, not just granted. Players should be getting good PT but it needn't be equal.

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        #4
        Everyone should play half the game, but not everyone should play the same amount.

        And, everyone should be playing in all positions.

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          #5
          I play my players at least half the game if I picked them. If you cannot play them half a game don't pick them or you are not doing your job as a coach to develop them as players. If they are way below the playing level then you need to have a serious conversation with the parents that you made a mistake and they need to play down a team to get the game touches and playing time to develop. Parents that want their kids on a team that play 5-10 minutes a game are not putting their sons or daughters in the best position to succeed.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            I play my players at least half the game if I picked them. If you cannot play them half a game don't pick them or you are not doing your job as a coach to develop them as players. If they are way below the playing level then you need to have a serious conversation with the parents that you made a mistake and they need to play down a team to get the game touches and playing time to develop. Parents that want their kids on a team that play 5-10 minutes a game are not putting their sons or daughters in the best position to succeed.
            All well and good until your club pressures you take take on "just 1-2 more" as plenty will. A current coach may not have been the coach that picked them 6 months ago. It's also notoriously challenging to pick players if you only rely on tryouts.

            That said I totally agree that a lot of parents aren't realistic with where their kid fits. If they're not going to be a consistent starter or first off the bench with good minutes, a different team may be a better fit.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              All well and good until your club pressures you take take on "just 1-2 more" as plenty will. A current coach may not have been the coach that picked them 6 months ago. It's also notoriously challenging to pick players if you only rely on tryouts.

              That said I totally agree that a lot of parents aren't realistic with where their kid fits. If they're not going to be a consistent starter or first off the bench with good minutes, a different team may be a better fit.
              1-2 more generally wont kill you in soccer when you go from 16 to 17 or 18 ..... but it's never 1-2 ..... it is 6-8 that bloats rosters up to 22-24 players or more for many "top" teams. It's a joke.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                1-2 more generally wont kill you in soccer when you go from 16 to 17 or 18 ..... but it's never 1-2 ..... it is 6-8 that bloats rosters up to 22-24 players or more for many "top" teams. It's a joke.
                18 is too many for 11v11 if players aren’t getting in the game. It’s basically 7 players subsidizing the starters. The club wants to pay one league fee but take money from 18 families, and only play 11 players. Parents need to wake up.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  18 is too many for 11v11 if players aren’t getting in the game. It’s basically 7 players subsidizing the starters. The club wants to pay one league fee but take money from 18 families, and only play 11 players. Parents need to wake up.
                  18 is fine for HS age. Theres more injuries and missed games for school visits etc. But good luck finding a decent team with only that.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    18 is too many for 11v11 if players aren’t getting in the game. It’s basically 7 players subsidizing the starters. The club wants to pay one league fee but take money from 18 families, and only play 11 players. Parents need to wake up.
                    10-18 on the roster are there only if starters get hurt. Standby players, if you will. Find a team where your kid will get to play meaningful time. They won't improve by sitting on the bench observing.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      18 is fine for HS age. Theres more injuries and missed games for school visits etc. But good luck finding a decent team with only that.
                      This. D's team has 22 rostered. Only 18 can dress for games so 4 will be sitting. You know unless a starter misses a game that they aren't sitting out, so there is a good chance that the bottom 8 or 9 will absorb most of those missed games.

                      It sucks, but nothing to be done for it now. Committed for the year, paid, and we're done with the club hopping.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        This. D's team has 22 rostered. Only 18 can dress for games so 4 will be sitting. You know unless a starter misses a game that they aren't sitting out, so there is a good chance that the bottom 8 or 9 will absorb most of those missed games.

                        It sucks, but nothing to be done for it now. Committed for the year, paid, and we're done with the club hopping.
                        Right. That's not club hopping, that's club sitting.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          This. D's team has 22 rostered. Only 18 can dress for games so 4 will be sitting. You know unless a starter misses a game that they aren't sitting out, so there is a good chance that the bottom 8 or 9 will absorb most of those missed games.

                          It sucks, but nothing to be done for it now. Committed for the year, paid, and we're done with the club hopping.
                          Must not be in DA because they have more restrictive sub rules, which means even those who dress may not play.

                          In HS 18 is workable, but as many have said it's very tough to find a quality team that sticks to that number. Even if the club tells you they will, they won't. While it's irksome as a paying customer and it's hard to watch some poor kids sit week after, it's also important to learn PT is earned. If you really want to play in college there will be at least 24 players, often times up to 30, all fighting for PT. The coach has no obligation to give you any PT at all. If your player doesn't deal well with sitting you better help steer them to programs where they're more likely to be starters.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Must not be in DA because they have more restrictive sub rules, which means even those who dress may not play.

                            In HS 18 is workable, but as many have said it's very tough to find a quality team that sticks to that number. Even if the club tells you they will, they won't. While it's irksome as a paying customer and it's hard to watch some poor kids sit week after, it's also important to learn PT is earned. If you really want to play in college there will be at least 24 players, often times up to 30, all fighting for PT. The coach has no obligation to give you any PT at all. If your player doesn't deal well with sitting you better help steer them to programs where they're more likely to be starters.
                            I think most players and parents understand that play time is earned. Here is where I run into a problem. Parents are paying the bill for club soccer (pay2play) and most expect a result, i.e. development, college recruiting, etc. Hard to develop when you sit the bench and hard to be recruited when you don't play games or get enough play time to highlight to coaches what you can do. In college, I imagine parents aren't footing the bill to play soccer. Soccer is helping foot the bill for college (if it's a recruited player). If they don't play, it sucks, but they are still there to earn a degree and are still getting some money to help with tuition. Different set of expectations and different environment.

                            Bottom line, clubs shouldn't be taking players 19-22 or taking 18 and then replacing them with better players after tryouts. I know when we signed up it was 18 on the roster. The remaining players came after... College is a different ballgame entirely with a different set of rules.

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                              #15
                              Clubs advertise that they are providing a platform for kids to play and learn by Ed game of soccer. They promote development. I , along with everyone else in club soccer, am paying for my kid to play. There are over 18 kids on my kids team. Practices are often combined with other teams, with a half field scrimmage format. Both games and scrimmages rotate kids in and out, and and there’s a lot of sitting around watching for all players. I’m getting to the point that I feel it’s a waste of valuable time and money, and there are better opportunities with clubs that maximize play time, touches and instruction for it’s players.

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