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    Is it worth sending freshmen to ID camps this spring? The new recruiting rules are about to kick in from what I have read. Previously an interested coach could reach out to a club coach and give feedback but apparently that is ending. What is the value in paying for a camp when my kid can’t hear anything for over 12 months?

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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Is it worth sending freshmen to ID camps this spring? The new recruiting rules are about to kick in from what I have read. Previously an interested coach could reach out to a club coach and give feedback but apparently that is ending. What is the value in paying for a camp when my kid can’t hear anything for over 12 months?
    If you can swing the fee I recommend doing one to get your feet wet, see how you stack up. Do one at a school you're not that interested in but is at a similar soccer level to schools you do want. Do it local so theres minimal travel, one day only and it won't cost too much

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      If you can swing the fee I recommend doing one to get your feet wet, see how you stack up. Do one at a school you're not that interested in but is at a similar soccer level to schools you do want. Do it local so theres minimal travel, one day only and it won't cost too much
      She did that this winter and I planned more this spring or summer. Now it seems most recruiting outside of top d1 players will hold off until spring of sophomore year. Colleges still invite freshmen to camps but if nothing is happening the kids will have to pay again sophomore year. Is anything I’m thinking inaccurate?

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        She did that this winter and I planned more this spring or summer. Now it seems most recruiting outside of top d1 players will hold off until spring of sophomore year. Colleges still invite freshmen to camps but if nothing is happening the kids will have to pay again sophomore year. Is anything I’m thinking inaccurate?
        No you're pretty spot on. Wait if she's not a top recruit. Use this summer to tour some schools to help narrow down what she wants. Next summer will be busy for her. Take a long vacation :). She'll be out the door before you know it

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          If you can swing the fee I recommend doing one to get your feet wet, see how you stack up. Do one at a school you're not that interested in but is at a similar soccer level to schools you do want. Do it local so theres minimal travel, one day only and it won't cost too much
          Good advice. We did this exact same thing. It was a great experience for my daughter to test herself against some older girls and the Q&A with the coaches and players was invaluable. She may not end up at the school but for a small price it was definitely worth it.

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            #6
            Definitely don't have your kid's first event be a school they really want. We made that mistake with our oldest and it didn't go well. Lesson learned. Getting one under their belt is highly recommended.

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              #7
              Does this mean all of the timelines are being pushed back? My D is looking at D3, which was later anyway....

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Does this mean all of the timelines are being pushed back? My D is looking at D3, which was later anyway....
                yes and that was the goal all along. This year there were too many loopholes left and people were still taking advantage of them. Assuming these other changes are voted in this month now it should be more in line with the boys's schedules, about one year later than where the girls used to be.

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                  #9
                  I hope it means that there will actually be a slow down. I would be interested to hear from parents of current freshmen and sophomores if the slowdown actually happens. I feel like we just figured out highschool (8th grader) and I have zero interest in jumping into college stress right away.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    I hope it means that there will actually be a slow down. I would be interested to hear from parents of current freshmen and sophomores if the slowdown actually happens. I feel like we just figured out highschool (8th grader) and I have zero interest in jumping into college stress right away.
                    No one should jump in until they are ready, before or after the rule changes. But yes the changes should slow it down a good deal, at least for most players. The super studs will always be chased after but the state doesn't have many of those.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Is it worth sending freshmen to ID camps this spring? The new recruiting rules are about to kick in from what I have read. Previously an interested coach could reach out to a club coach and give feedback but apparently that is ending. What is the value in paying for a camp when my kid can’t hear anything for over 12 months?
                      You might want to really take a deep look at what all of the recruiting revisions that have already been implemented and those that are about to be are really all about before you start making decisions like this one.

                      The NCAA wrote this "The proposals create a phased recruiting approach that allows coaches to build relationships with prospective student-athletes through phone calls and other types of communication before allowing for visits and off-campus contact."

                      http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/...ting-proposals

                      When you really get down to the nitty gritty details, the only thing that really has changed is the "stay over" unofficial visit (I personally always thought people were nuts allowing their middle school age girls to stay overnight with college age women -- but that's me). What they are trying to do is slow the process down and stop snap decisions by unprepared kids by allowing earlier sanctioned visits. The communication channels really haven't been thwarted so there is nothing to prevent you and your child from going to visit the school or attending ID camps and there really isn't anything that is going to prevent your child from talking with college coaches. In fact if you read what the NCAA is saying they actually want your child to build a relationship with their prospective coaches. Do you honestly think sitting back until the last minute is the way to do that?

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        You might want to really take a deep look at what all of the recruiting revisions that have already been implemented and those that are about to be are really all about before you start making decisions like this one.

                        The NCAA wrote this "The proposals create a phased recruiting approach that allows coaches to build relationships with prospective student-athletes through phone calls and other types of communication before allowing for visits and off-campus contact."

                        http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/...ting-proposals

                        When you really get down to the nitty gritty details, the only thing that really has changed is the "stay over" unofficial visit (I personally always thought people were nuts allowing their middle school age girls to stay overnight with college age women -- but that's me). What they are trying to do is slow the process down and stop snap decisions by unprepared kids by allowing earlier sanctioned visits. The communication channels really haven't been thwarted so there is nothing to prevent you and your child from going to visit the school or attending ID camps and there really isn't anything that is going to prevent your child from talking with college coaches. In fact if you read what the NCAA is saying they actually want your child to build a relationship with their prospective coaches. Do you honestly think sitting back until the last minute is the way to do that?
                        But how can these relationships be developed without allowing communication from the college coach? Previously a college coach could contact a club coach and show interest. This encouraged the freshman to keep showing up at camps and making contact. If club coach contact isn’t allowed how are the kids supposed to know who actually has interest? They don’t know who to build relationships with. What am I missing?

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          You might want to really take a deep look at what all of the recruiting revisions that have already been implemented and those that are about to be are really all about before you start making decisions like this one.

                          The NCAA wrote this "The proposals create a phased recruiting approach that allows coaches to build relationships with prospective student-athletes through phone calls and other types of communication before allowing for visits and off-campus contact."

                          http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/...ting-proposals

                          When you really get down to the nitty gritty details, the only thing that really has changed is the "stay over" unofficial visit (I personally always thought people were nuts allowing their middle school age girls to stay overnight with college age women -- but that's me). What they are trying to do is slow the process down and stop snap decisions by unprepared kids by allowing earlier sanctioned visits. The communication channels really haven't been thwarted so there is nothing to prevent you and your child from going to visit the school or attending ID camps and there really isn't anything that is going to prevent your child from talking with college coaches. In fact if you read what the NCAA is saying they actually want your child to build a relationship with their prospective coaches. Do you honestly think sitting back until the last minute is the way to do that?
                          That is an old statement. The understanding is the loophole of allowing kids call the coach as well as using intermediaries are now closed until after sophomore year. Kids can still attend ID events earlier than that but no recruiting discussions can take place

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            That is an old statement. The understanding is the loophole of allowing kids call the coach as well as using intermediaries are now closed until after sophomore year. Kids can still attend ID events earlier than that but no recruiting discussions can take place
                            Understanding means nothing. That statement is from the NCAA and it clearly spells out their intent. They know that there is no possible way for them to control communication. They've tried that before and have failed miserably.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              But how can these relationships be developed without allowing communication from the college coach? Previously a college coach could contact a club coach and show interest. This encouraged the freshman to keep showing up at camps and making contact. If club coach contact isn’t allowed how are the kids supposed to know who actually has interest? They don’t know who to build relationships with. What am I missing?
                              Show us anywhere that any of what you suggest is officially written by the NCAA. The regs that are out there now do not prevent communication as you suggest.

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