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    All this talk about fake athletes ... which s good to see ... but
    What about average or subpar athletes that go far when good players languish, never "noticed"?
    What about national team scouts that hang out exclusively at clubs in rich areas that give average players inside track on pro careers and Ivy League roster spots?

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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    All this talk about fake athletes ... which s good to see ... but
    What about average or subpar athletes that go far when good players languish, never "noticed"?
    What about national team scouts that hang out exclusively at clubs in rich areas that give average players inside track on pro careers and Ivy League roster spots?
    If your kid is a special talent you will see it very early on. Otherwise, please don't be delusional. Focus on grades and playing for fun. The reason many kids stop playing later is that is too much time and the adults have pretty much ruined the game for them to have fun. Coaches and other parents. Is your team a top state team? If not, lighten the hell up. Play all the kids and let them enjoy the game. It might be the last year for many of them, so stop being an A-hole !!

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      If your kid is a special talent you will see it very early on. Otherwise, please don't be delusional. Focus on grades and playing for fun. The reason many kids stop playing later is that is too much time and the adults have pretty much ruined the game for them to have fun. Coaches and other parents. Is your team a top state team? If not, lighten the hell up. Play all the kids and let them enjoy the game. It might be the last year for many of them, so stop being an A-hole !!
      Translation:
      If you cant afford to write the requisite checks, STFU. But keep coming out my kid needs the live training cones.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        If your kid is a special talent you will see it very early on. Otherwise, please don't be delusional. Focus on grades and playing for fun. The reason many kids stop playing later is that is too much time and the adults have pretty much ruined the game for them to have fun. Coaches and other parents. Is your team a top state team? If not, lighten the hell up. Play all the kids and let them enjoy the game. It might be the last year for many of them, so stop being an A-hole !!
        The point is that some top players become disillusioned and quit when they see lesser players (coincidentally, from wealthy families and club areas) advance to the highest levels. I could rattle off a list of examples from your state, but will refrain because its not the kids fault and there is no proof.

        Why is there no proof? Because of people like you that think bringing up this ugly side of soccer makes one an A-hole. Your attitude is why corruption in soccer, the most corrupt of all the youth (and adult) sports, festers and ferments under the cover of darkness. It is no accident that among all the coaches outed in the recent scandal, soccer coaches were disproportionately represented.

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          #5
          Corruption in youth soccer doesn’t come close to football, basketball and baseball. There is so much more money at stake in those sports, youth have agents, sponsored club teams, etc. youth soccer is decades behind

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Corruption in youth soccer doesn’t come close to football, basketball and baseball. There is so much more money at stake in those sports, youth have agents, sponsored club teams, etc. youth soccer is decades behind
            And as long as there's no money in soccer it will remain that way. There's a reason Singer targeted sports no one watched closely. Big football and basketball not only have all that you listed, but the top recruits and programs are watched like hawks by the media. Absolutely no one is keeping an eye on rowing recruits.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Corruption in youth soccer doesn’t come close to football, basketball and baseball. There is so much more money at stake in those sports, youth have agents, sponsored club teams, etc. youth soccer is decades behind
              Puts it in perspective. In all fairness, how many times have you seen parents gambling on your kids soccer game. How many times have you seen sponsors and shoe companies swooping in to fund your kids soccer "tournaments". How many times has your relative saw your kid as the golden ticket. Get over it, foreigners will keep taking those college soccer spots anyways.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Corruption in youth soccer doesn’t come close to football, basketball and baseball. There is so much more money at stake in those sports, youth have agents, sponsored club teams, etc. youth soccer is decades behind
                Well, I think it’s apples and oranges. The corruption is youth basketball, football, is in regards to trying to secure top talent to certain teams. Agents, shoe companies involved, overbearing parents yes, but the only ones that matter are those of the top talent, which is pretty evident in these sports, where it’s easy to quantify how good a player is- points per game, rebounds, assists, or football with yards per carry, other stats.

                In youth soccer the corruption is at a different level. It involves mostly helicopter parents, who throw money and influence towards the coach to get special treatment of their kid, which is the opposite of the other sports. These coaches are susceptible to this, easily swayed by special treatment so that now an average kid is treated like a star. Sometimes in soccer it’s hard to argue if player A is better than player B, because objective measurables are very very limited in soccer- goals, assists. Sooooo, it’s very subjective. This is not the case with the other sports, including baseball. Youth soccer is by far the worst sport to get your kid involved in, because parents and their spoiled kids ruin the experience. At least in basketball if your kid is a great shooter, scorer, it’s pretty hard to deny. I’m soccer, 2 defensive wings can look pretty equal, but for some reason one will ply all game, the other is always in the bench. Makes no sense except for mommy and daddy getting special treatment for their kid.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Well, I think it’s apples and oranges. The corruption is youth basketball, football, is in regards to trying to secure top talent to certain teams. Agents, shoe companies involved, overbearing parents yes, but the only ones that matter are those of the top talent, which is pretty evident in these sports, where it’s easy to quantify how good a player is- points per game, rebounds, assists, or football with yards per carry, other stats.

                  In youth soccer the corruption is at a different level. It involves mostly helicopter parents, who throw money and influence towards the coach to get special treatment of their kid, which is the opposite of the other sports. These coaches are susceptible to this, easily swayed by special treatment so that now an average kid is treated like a star. Sometimes in soccer it’s hard to argue if player A is better than player B, because objective measurables are very very limited in soccer- goals, assists. Sooooo, it’s very subjective. This is not the case with the other sports, including baseball. Youth soccer is by far the worst sport to get your kid involved in, because parents and their spoiled kids ruin the experience. At least in basketball if your kid is a great shooter, scorer, it’s pretty hard to deny. I’m soccer, 2 defensive wings can look pretty equal, but for some reason one will ply all game, the other is always in the bench. Makes no sense except for mommy and daddy getting special treatment for their kid.
                  Yet another failed, bitter and disgruntled parent using this scandal to justify his kids shortcomings, by disguising his views as objective analysis.

                  The reason your kid is not playing does not have to do with the Stanford sailing coach taking a bribe, or even the Yale soccer coach offering admission to the school (not on the team) for money. Your kid is just not very good. This scandal has brought out all the victims who can now say: "see, I told you my kid was USC Soccer material, but some rich kid took her place".

                  Deep down you and everyone around you knows it's just not the case.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Yet another failed, bitter and disgruntled parent using this scandal to justify his kids shortcomings, by disguising his views as objective analysis.

                    The reason your kid is not playing does not have to do with the Stanford sailing coach taking a bribe, or even the Yale soccer coach offering admission to the school (not on the team) for money. Your kid is just not very good. This scandal has brought out all the victims who can now say: "see, I told you my kid was USC Soccer material, but some rich kid took her place".

                    Deep down you and everyone around you knows it's just not the case.
                    Yet another parent thinking their kid must be awesome because he/she is always playing. Gee whiz I guess all that private training with the coach and kissing up really paid off. Wow, must suck to be the other kids who just haven’t learned to manipulate the system like me. Seriously your entire post suggests you are trying to brag about your kid in order to make up for your shortcomings as a human being. I’m confident enough to not have to brag about sh**, just making a point, which some can’t handle.

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                      #11
                      The kids are ferrets. They are stupid and they run around a lot. The moms are apes who pick the nits out of each others hair. The coaches are greedy, fat hemitrolls.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Well, I think it’s apples and oranges. The corruption is youth basketball, football, is in regards to trying to secure top talent to certain teams. Agents, shoe companies involved, overbearing parents yes, but the only ones that matter are those of the top talent, which is pretty evident in these sports, where it’s easy to quantify how good a player is- points per game, rebounds, assists, or football with yards per carry, other stats.

                        In youth soccer the corruption is at a different level. It involves mostly helicopter parents, who throw money and influence towards the coach to get special treatment of their kid, which is the opposite of the other sports. These coaches are susceptible to this, easily swayed by special treatment so that now an average kid is treated like a star. Sometimes in soccer it’s hard to argue if player A is better than player B, because objective measurables are very very limited in soccer- goals, assists. Sooooo, it’s very subjective. This is not the case with the other sports, including baseball. Youth soccer is by far the worst sport to get your kid involved in, because parents and their spoiled kids ruin the experience. At least in basketball if your kid is a great shooter, scorer, it’s pretty hard to deny. I’m soccer, 2 defensive wings can look pretty equal, but for some reason one will ply all game, the other is always in the bench. Makes no sense except for mommy and daddy getting special treatment for their kid.
                        I would agree with you in a general sense, but your closing position is fatally flawed. Coaches can hide lesser forwards and midfielders, parents will complain but a goal not scored is different than a goal scored. You cannot try and hide lesser players at defender and goalie. Suggest you stand with your kid in the mirror, and take a closer look.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Well, I think it’s apples and oranges. The corruption is youth basketball, football, is in regards to trying to secure top talent to certain teams. Agents, shoe companies involved, overbearing parents yes, but the only ones that matter are those of the top talent, which is pretty evident in these sports, where it’s easy to quantify how good a player is- points per game, rebounds, assists, or football with yards per carry, other stats.

                          In youth soccer the corruption is at a different level. It involves mostly helicopter parents, who throw money and influence towards the coach to get special treatment of their kid, which is the opposite of the other sports. These coaches are susceptible to this, easily swayed by special treatment so that now an average kid is treated like a star. Sometimes in soccer it’s hard to argue if player A is better than player B, because objective measurables are very very limited in soccer- goals, assists. Sooooo, it’s very subjective. This is not the case with the other sports, including baseball. Youth soccer is by far the worst sport to get your kid involved in, because parents and their spoiled kids ruin the experience. At least in basketball if your kid is a great shooter, scorer, it’s pretty hard to deny. I’m soccer, 2 defensive wings can look pretty equal, but for some reason one will ply all game, the other is always in the bench. Makes no sense except for mommy and daddy getting special treatment for their kid.
                          So your argument is coaches, by playing lesser players, are losing on purpose? This would lead to a terrible resume, all other players leave club, lost job.... pretty doubtful.

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                            #14
                            The lower middle class athlete is taken out of the picture

                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            The point is that some top players become disillusioned and quit when they see lesser players (coincidentally, from wealthy families and club areas) advance to the highest levels. I could rattle off a list of examples from your state, but will refrain because its not the kids fault and there is no proof.

                            Why is there no proof? Because of people like you that think bringing up this ugly side of soccer makes one an A-hole. Your attitude is why corruption in soccer, the most corrupt of all the youth (and adult) sports, festers and ferments under the cover of darkness. It is no accident that among all the coaches outed in the recent scandal, soccer coaches were disproportionately represented.
                            College soccer coaches charge a lot of money to come to their camps. Part of their income depends upon people showing up. So why give a lower middle class person a scholarship when he can’t afford your camp. Give it to the richer kid at the camp and then advertise it. Other richer kids will follow. As for the poorer kid or illegal kid playing soccer, they will get a free ride from the government.

                            And don’t get started by saying they will fly you out for free if they really want you. Those always seem to be for expensive schools that them only offer a partial scholarship. Just another way to get enrolled using sports teams.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              So your argument is coaches, by playing lesser players, are losing on purpose? This would lead to a terrible resume, all other players leave club, lost job.... pretty doubtful.
                              Coaches are making their big bucks from the camps and when the player doesn’t pan out they can always say to their athletic director that the kid came from a known program. As for winning, they are bringing over 19 to 20 something players in from overseas that didn’t pan out in professional academy’s but are still considered amateurs in this nation. They really are not better then the lower middle class player with the great drive to play but they do have more upper body strength due to age difference etc.

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