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    What is the difference between NE NPL and NYCSL NPL

    I realize that it depends on the particular team but it is so confusing to compare different NPL divisions for girls .
    Overall can someone tell me which Npl division is more competitive/ stronger/ challenging for girls -
    Northeast NPL vs NYCSL NPL

    #2
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    I realize that it depends on the particular team but it is so confusing to compare different NPL divisions for girls .
    Overall can someone tell me which Npl division is more competitive/ stronger/ challenging for girls -
    Northeast NPL vs NYCSL NPL
    Also what is better/ more competitive let’s say EDP 1st division north and NYCSL NPL

    All of this is so confusing.

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      #3
      Two years ago I would have easily said NYCSL but with all the clubs they've lost, it may be NE NPL. Keep in mind though, NE NPL has a lot more travel.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Also what is better/ more competitive let’s say EDP 1st division north and NYCSL NPL

        All of this is so confusing.

        What age group are you asking about? EDP is team based not club based so need to know age group to answer

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          #5
          I’m in the same boat (that already sailed as we made the choice already) but I’d like someone to confirm this was not a mistake.

          Choosing between our quite great current 2007G (U12 next year) team that will play in EDP (and not even div 1) and another team we didn’t know much about but in NYCSL NPL, I chose solely on the other team being in NPL. To be honest so far I like all the emails coming from that new team and the extra training opportunities promise coming with them.

          Still that would feel nice if somebody tells me plainly ‘relax, this was correct choice, NYCSL NPL is way above any mid-tier EDP team, competition is stronger and training is much better’. Anybody?

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            #6
            Originally posted by unregistered View Post
            what age group are you asking about? Edp is team based not club based so need to know age group to answer
            girls 2004

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              girls 2004
              Overall, the competition in both is relatively weak. However, the SDFC galaxy is the best team in both leagues so maybe that gives EDP the edge. My question though is I heard that SDFC merged with PSA, if that's true, will they be playing EDP next year or will they play NPL? I don't know the answer to that.

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                #8
                NPL is a mixed bag because it is club based, not team based. Because the club gets a slot in every age group no matter how great or terrible each individual team is, you may end up being on a team that is on one end or the other of a blowout for half the games.

                EDP, especially at the D1/D2 level is much more consistent with the level of competition. You still get the occasional team that doesn't belong but for the most part it's maybe one or two clunkers, not up to half the bracket.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  NPL is a mixed bag because it is club based, not team based. Because the club gets a slot in every age group no matter how great or terrible each individual team is, you may end up being on a team that is on one end or the other of a blowout for half the games.

                  EDP, especially at the D1/D2 level is much more consistent with the level of competition. You still get the occasional team that doesn't belong but for the most part it's maybe one or two clunkers, not up to half the bracket.
                  And to answer your other question about the training, leagues don't train players, clubs (really specific coaches) do. You can just as easily find a lower level club that offers fantastic training as you do a higher level club that has terrible training but make up for it through recruiting.

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                    #10
                    New NYCSL NPL members

                    http://usclubsoccer.org/2018/06/04/n...-member-clubs/

                    Nothing on BOTN

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      I’m in the same boat (that already sailed as we made the choice already) but I’d like someone to confirm this was not a mistake.

                      Choosing between our quite great current 2007G (U12 next year) team that will play in EDP (and not even div 1) and another team we didn’t know much about but in NYCSL NPL, I chose solely on the other team being in NPL. To be honest so far I like all the emails coming from that new team and the extra training opportunities promise coming with them.

                      Still that would feel nice if somebody tells me plainly ‘relax, this was correct choice, NYCSL NPL is way above any mid-tier EDP team, competition is stronger and training is much better’. Anybody?
                      My D is also 2007. Her team played 06 nycsl NPL this year. Competition is good but not uniformly so. Most of the best teams at this age group play edp d1.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        girls 2004
                        I have a 2004 girl and am familiar with a lot of these teams, clubs, etc. If we were in the same position of making a decision, we'd go with NYCSL NPL, here's why:

                        NYCSL and NE NPL are similar "competition wise". I give NE NPL the edge with their top teams being a little stronger than NYCSL top teams, but once you get past the top 5 teams or so (out of 12) it's really weak. NYCSL has less of a drop off from top to mid-level, so you get a few more "meaningful" (closer) games. Both have about 5-6 really strong teams, 3-4 solid teams 2-3 clunkers.

                        BUT, the travel for NE NPL is killer. The only way I'd be (begrudgingly) on board with all that schlepping around for NPL level play is if my kid was in love with her team/club and that's where they played. NYCSL travel can be a bit much at times as well depending on where you live, but it's slightly more manageable...slightly.

                        The other thing I loved about NYCSL were their supplemental programs like Center of Excellence, PDP, id2. A lot of good opportunities for girls to train and play with other good players within the league from other teams, I don't think NE NPL has the same type of offerings...but they might, so it might be worth looking into.

                        EDP is OK, I've never been super impressed by it. Some of the teams are really good, but not enough to make it worth it. Most of the teams that were really good were part of EDP NPL, but now that they're moving over to USYS and just handing out conferences, it feels very convoluted. They're basically merging fka ERL with some current EDP, but then having club B club which is basically NPL, then some one off conferences for some DA players "on hold"...

                        I know some people are big fans of promotion/relegation and I get that, but when the quality itself overall is lower-how is that better? Idk, I think there's something to be said about holding a club accountable for style of play, condition of fields, etc. The last time my kid played an EDP team, it was in 4 inch high grass covered in dandelions behind an elementary school where the team's style of play was-whenever you touch the ball, just try to kick it out off a player from the other team (no matter where you are on the field) and we'll try to move it down the line that way. I'm not saying all of EDP is like that, but there definitely is a more high school ball-esque feel to EDP than the other leagues-a win at all costs style of play, which makes sense if you're trying to stay in your division, but doesn't necessarily make for a good soccer player.

                        Good luck to all who are faced with these decisions!

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          . The last time my kid played an EDP team, it was in 4 inch high grass covered in dandelions behind an elementary school
                          !
                          LOL! I can definitely relate to that - almost every other field we played this spring in EDP was sub par. Bumps, tall grass, and my personal favorite - a protruding sandy baseball field with a line drawn on sand marking the boundary of a soccer field. I thought it was normal for US soccer being clearly lower priority than the other -whatever-ball sports. You give me something more to look forward to now! The NYCSL travel looks kinda reasonable, as EDP was is a similar ballpark.

                          Thanks for all the replies, much appreciated.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            I have a 2004 girl and am familiar with a lot of these teams, clubs, etc. If we were in the same position of making a decision, we'd go with NYCSL NPL, here's why:

                            NYCSL and NE NPL are similar "competition wise". I give NE NPL the edge with their top teams being a little stronger than NYCSL top teams, but once you get past the top 5 teams or so (out of 12) it's really weak. NYCSL has less of a drop off from top to mid-level, so you get a few more "meaningful" (closer) games. Both have about 5-6 really strong teams, 3-4 solid teams 2-3 clunkers.

                            BUT, the travel for NE NPL is killer. The only way I'd be (begrudgingly) on board with all that schlepping around for NPL level play is if my kid was in love with her team/club and that's where they played. NYCSL travel can be a bit much at times as well depending on where you live, but it's slightly more manageable...slightly.

                            The other thing I loved about NYCSL were their supplemental programs like Center of Excellence, PDP, id2. A lot of good opportunities for girls to train and play with other good players within the league from other teams, I don't think NE NPL has the same type of offerings...but they might, so it might be worth looking into.

                            EDP is OK, I've never been super impressed by it. Some of the teams are really good, but not enough to make it worth it. Most of the teams that were really good were part of EDP NPL, but now that they're moving over to USYS and just handing out conferences, it feels very convoluted. They're basically merging fka ERL with some current EDP, but then having club B club which is basically NPL, then some one off conferences for some DA players "on hold"...

                            I know some people are big fans of promotion/relegation and I get that, but when the quality itself overall is lower-how is that better? Idk, I think there's something to be said about holding a club accountable for style of play, condition of fields, etc. The last time my kid played an EDP team, it was in 4 inch high grass covered in dandelions behind an elementary school where the team's style of play was-whenever you touch the ball, just try to kick it out off a player from the other team (no matter where you are on the field) and we'll try to move it down the line that way. I'm not saying all of EDP is like that, but there definitely is a more high school ball-esque feel to EDP than the other leagues-a win at all costs style of play, which makes sense if you're trying to stay in your division, but doesn't necessarily make for a good soccer player.

                            Good luck to all who are faced with these decisions!
                            Pretty good summary. I'll add a couple of points about NE NPL:

                            - NE NPL essentially is made up of the 2nd teams from ECNL clubs. Travel is the same as ECNL for league games, but less for tournaments as NE NPL. You can look at that travel as a pain, but if your kid is interested in colleges in MA, CT, or Eastern PA, you can use games in those areas to invite nearby college coaches to watch.
                            - Some clubs give their NE NPL players opportunities to play up with ECNL team on occasion. Other clubs use NE NPL teams as a place for their ECNL bench players to get more playing time.
                            - Because of the ECNL relationship, all NE NPL teams are pretty much guaranteed entry into Jefferson Cup and PDA Showcase. They do not have to "qualify".
                            - NE NPL uses ECNL substitution rules (subbing out has no re-entry until the next half). Some coaches are focused on winning so some bench players get a lot less playing time. Others try to be as fair/balanced as possible so some starters get less playing time than usual. Definitely coach-dependent on how it's done.

                            My kid is on a NE NPL team. Definitely has some minuses, the main one being that the club does not treat them like a 1st team. But generally pretty happy with the experience overall.

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