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    When the local clubs got raided with the inception of the Timbers DA in 2012 (and they still do) they took the hit & treat it is a badge of honor as they are developing players worthy of selection to the big DA. It's evolved into 7 local clubs committing to play themselves 4x year with their best players funneled to the big DA. It's become a well oiled machine these days.

    Now the Thorns DA is overhauling many of these same clubs and 2 of them (local clubs) are just plain pissed that their best are leaving? Why is that? It makes no sense why these same clubs rejoice when their boys are selected to the DA but cry foul about the girls? What gives?

    Please explain how these same clubs react differently about boys being promoted vs girls?

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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    When the local clubs got raided with the inception of the Timbers DA in 2012 (and they still do) they took the hit & treat it is a badge of honor as they are developing players worthy of selection to the big DA. It's evolved into 7 local clubs committing to play themselves 4x year with their best players funneled to the big DA. It's become a well oiled machine these days.

    Now the Thorns DA is overhauling many of these same clubs and 2 of them (local clubs) are just plain pissed that their best are leaving? Why is that? It makes no sense why these same clubs rejoice when their boys are selected to the DA but cry foul about the girls? What gives?

    Please explain how these same clubs react differently about boys being promoted vs girls?
    Maybe those 2 clubs know that the Thornz Asylum is a poorly run, useless program that does nothing to actually develop players for what is the ultimate end goal of 99.9% of female soccer players - college soccer.

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      #3
      The thorns are not getting the best players and as far as I know the clubs don't really care.

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        #4
        Buzz is that at least one local team is heavily recruiting what's left of girls on the thorns teams.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          When the local clubs got raided with the inception of the Timbers DA in 2012 (and they still do) they took the hit & treat it is a badge of honor as they are developing players worthy of selection to the big DA. It's evolved into 7 local clubs committing to play themselves 4x year with their best players funneled to the big DA. It's become a well oiled machine these days.

          Now the Thorns DA is overhauling many of these same clubs and 2 of them (local clubs) are just plain pissed that their best are leaving? Why is that? It makes no sense why these same clubs rejoice when their boys are selected to the DA but cry foul about the girls? What gives?

          Please explain how these same clubs react differently about boys being promoted vs girls?
          Easy. Because the DA on the boys side is accepted as the best pathway for the boys. The fact that the local clubs all agree and encourage their best boys to go to DA illustrates that the clubs truly are looking out for the best for their players. On the girls side, the ECNL was already well established as the best pathway for girls. US Soccer, for years and years an advocate, decided the money was too large to not get a piece of it. Now, with the dilution, none of the clubs are top-level. There is no reason for the clubs to send their girls to the DA when it is not an acceptable and proven program.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Buzz is that at least one local team is heavily recruiting what's left of girls on the thorns teams.
            Dont all good teams recruit players off other teams?

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              When the local clubs got raided with the inception of the Timbers DA in 2012 (and they still do) they took the hit & treat it is a badge of honor as they are developing players worthy of selection to the big DA. It's evolved into 7 local clubs committing to play themselves 4x year with their best players funneled to the big DA. It's become a well oiled machine these days.

              Now the Thorns DA is overhauling many of these same clubs and 2 of them (local clubs) are just plain pissed that their best are leaving? Why is that? It makes no sense why these same clubs rejoice when their boys are selected to the DA but cry foul about the girls? What gives?

              Please explain how these same clubs react differently about boys being promoted vs girls?
              There are three clubs which you are talking about, none of which have "agreed" to anything with the Timbers. (The Alliance clubs are another matter).

              * One of them (THUSC) is weak on the boys' side, only having non-premier teams--they aren't relevant to this discussion for boys.
              * Another (Crossfire) has strong boys' teams, particularly at the younger ages, but doesn't produce as many players for TA.
              * The third (FC) has the strongest boys' program and does lose players to TA, but has had a bit of a frosty relationship with the Timbers.

              Certainly, the notion that GDA is competing with ECNL, whereas there was no equivalent boys league at the time of the DA's formation, is a factor--CU and FC have (or they think) separated themselves from the rest of the OYSA pack. Plus, US Soccer and ECNL as a whole views GDA as a competitive threat and has taken a hostile approach to it (viewing the formation of the league as an attack on them).

              Plus, the economics of boys' and girls' soccer are different. Men's pro teams need academies to develop their own players, especially at the high level--buying players on the transfer market is expensive. Women's pro players are cheap and there's little transfer market (ability to sell players)--so the main driver for the GDA is the national team.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Easy. Because the DA on the boys side is accepted as the best pathway for the boys. The fact that the local clubs all agree and encourage their best boys to go to DA illustrates that the clubs truly are looking out for the best for their players. On the girls side, the ECNL was already well established as the best pathway for girls. US Soccer, for years and years an advocate, decided the money was too large to not get a piece of it. Now, with the dilution, none of the clubs are top-level. There is no reason for the clubs to send their girls to the DA when it is not an acceptable and proven program.
                This. GDA didn’t fill a void. It didn’t provide anything better than what ECNL offered. The transition year when Thorns “academy” (pre-GDA) was running they put their teams in OYSA and slaughtered their old OYSA teams (instead of playing in Washington where they would have been more challenged). It’s a terrible program and they’ve misstepped at almost every opportunity whether it’s charging a tryout fee in clear violation of academy rules, arbitrarily enforcing the no high school sports rules, or dragging girls 3000 miles to sit on the bench and watch the real stars play. It’s an absolute mess.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Easy. Because the DA on the boys side is accepted as the best pathway for the boys. The fact that the local clubs all agree and encourage their best boys to go to DA illustrates that the clubs truly are looking out for the best for their players. On the girls side, the ECNL was already well established as the best pathway for girls. US Soccer, for years and years an advocate, decided the money was too large to not get a piece of it. Now, with the dilution, none of the clubs are top-level. There is no reason for the clubs to send their girls to the DA when it is not an acceptable and proven program.
                  The (big) DA be it boys or girls is the same, per US Soccer mandate and governance. ECNL is a US Club Soccer league without any billing as a US Soccer DA entity. US Club also offers a boys ECNL version do the boys clubs that sign up for this league go crazy when their top players get chosen for DA?

                  In Oregon for instance with the dramatic dilution caused by the Timbers DA & Thorns DA as the embedded top tier, what reasoning or logic could ever justify local team clubs spending thousands on travel? When they are so poor regionally and nationally?

                  Colleges reach out to Oregon kids for placement less than they did when all the teams played in just the OYSA/USYS.

                  Furthermore, USYS for both boys & girls for half a century had better teams in that format than the spin-off US Club leagues could ever boast. Using your twisted logic we should all go back to the 'pathway' of just the USYS championships, FWRL, National league and ODP since it worked'.

                  Confusing usys or us club leagues as something similar to the DA in today's club landscape is simply not relevant or germane. It's like comparing apples & oranges..

                  In the end US Soccer is disturbing the business of US Club shady girls club soccer, and it takes $$ out of the con men/women who are selling pipe dreams based on travel & showcasing.

                  Lovin it.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    whereas there was no equivalent boys league at the time of the DA's formation, is
                    Sorry but Oregon boys had nationally relevant club teams in the USYS platform (the best available) (eastside/westside) just prior to the Timbers DA. Conversely, we have never had any national relevant girls clubs or teams in either usys or us club.

                    Once again why the angst today? Did the DA come along too late (girls) or is it simply the case that the Thorns DA is blowing up the Oregon girls facade at 2 clubs?

                    The national level clubs decisions of which league to play in or play DA isn't really something that concerns the Oregon club ilk.

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                      #11
                      FC and Crossfire should be fighting with every ounce of energy Peregrine's entrance into pay-to-play.

                      Monopolies are never good, unless regulated (and even then it is questionable in most cases).

                      To the extent there was a difference with the boys academy, it is because it is mostly free.
                      Even then, a single-path leads to complacency and corruption.

                      Thorns isn't free- $3000+. It isn't solving a problem; just another competitor.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        FC and Crossfire should be fighting with every ounce of energy Peregrine's entrance into pay-to-play.Monopolies are never good, unless regulated (and even then it is questionable in most cases).To the extent there was a difference with the boys academy, it is because it is mostly free. Even then, a single-path leads to complacency and corruption.Thorns isn't free- $3000+. It isn't solving a problem; just another competitor.
                        Those two clubs are just like every other run of the mill shop in Portland metro area, they aren't carry any torch for a cause vs the US DA stationed at our local MLS & NWSL clubs. Fighting tooth and nail for what, full fare frequent flyer miles? There's a cause.

                        In the end it would be nice to have something of quality, once again come from Oregon in club Soccer. Under the current pay to keep soccer bums employed model, it's far worse than a monopoly. It's a racket that produces loads and loads of pond scum with parents forking over millions of wasted dollars for unfiltered algae.

                        The DA is across the U.S., most aren't subsidized just the Professional (MLS/NWSL) clubs can invest that much into the youth. The local clubs have too many dollars tied up in salaries and overhead to every give back to the actual players.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Sorry but Oregon boys had nationally relevant club teams in the USYS platform (the best available) (eastside/westside) just prior to the Timbers DA. Conversely, we have never had any national relevant girls clubs or teams in either usys or us club.

                          Once again why the angst today? Did the DA come along too late (girls) or is it simply the case that the Thorns DA is blowing up the Oregon girls facade at 2 clubs?

                          The national level clubs decisions of which league to play in or play DA isn't really something that concerns the Oregon club ilk.
                          I'd say Onyx was "nationally relevant"; winning two NPL championships. Some may dispute the importance of that tournament, and Tom A. was in many ways a cancer on the body of Oregon youth soccer, but the THUSC girls did lift a pair of trophies.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            I'd say Onyx was "nationally relevant"; winning two NPL championships. Some may dispute the importance of that tournament, and Tom A. was in many ways a cancer on the body of Oregon youth soccer, but the THUSC girls did lift a pair of trophies.
                            In the nation of onyx, perhaps.

                            Not USYS or US club ECNL.

                            Sorry.

                            Above average wsm team and even really avg fc portland team won the us club wink..wink nudge nudge nationals.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Buzz is that at least one local team is heavily recruiting what's left of girls on the thorns teams.
                              Must be a rec team if they're recruiting Thornz players.

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