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    My d plays for a club in NH. They had a winter tryout where no new players actually came. Still they moved several girls down to a B team. Mine played here for several years and was sent down but players staying on A team are younger playing up or in their first year. Younger girls are ok not amazing. New girl Is pretty good for most part but who knows if she'll stay. Is this the norm in club soccer? Moving teams in winter

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    I wouldn't call it the "norm", but also some of that isn't necessarily unusual.

    Clubs are holding tryouts pretty much through the year. If you reach out to a club now to inquire about June tryouts, they'll ask you to come in now if you can. Quicker they can secure a solid roster of good, paying customers for the next year the better.

    Being on one team and then sent to another also happens; more moving up than down though. My question would be were you promised, and paid for, a slot on the 'A' team when you got your offer? That would be a potential gripe. However for U-littles often they designate teams by color vs. set accelerated terms, so they can move people around without concern.

    I would ask the coach directly, but also if she was sent down hopefully a conversation was had explaining what she needs to do to improve.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      My d plays for a club in NH. They had a winter tryout where no new players actually came. Still they moved several girls down to a B team. Mine played here for several years and was sent down but players staying on A team are younger playing up or in their first year. Younger girls are ok not amazing. New girl Is pretty good for most part but who knows if she'll stay. Is this the norm in club soccer? Moving teams in winter
      Not the norm. Ask for a refund and move on (if there are true A and B designations). That's a bait and switch. If you signed on for an A team, but mid year you got bumped down, then you have a valid complaint and unless there is a good reason why you don't want to "rock the boat", you are entitled to a refund. Many will disagree with me, but that's crazy. Now, it may be that you / your child likes the club overall and it's possible that a "lower" team may benefit your child (if she's overwhelmed)... BUT, the club is changing the rules after the fact. You paid money based on a certain situation (team and coach) and they changed that situation mid-year. If you are fine with the change, ok.... If not, ask for a refund.

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        #4
        There was 1 team in fall and winter. Now 2. Smaller roster and girls brought up from age group below us to form new B team. Good for the younger girls, not so good for the 4 sent down. Feels like a slap in the face.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          There was 1 team in fall and winter. Now 2. Smaller roster and girls brought up from age group below us to form new B team. Good for the younger girls, not so good for the 4 sent down. Feels like a slap in the face.
          Sounds like they have a leg to stand on, since there maybe wasn't a designated team/level assigned originally. Legally, probably, but not morally it sounds like....

          While I agree it stinks, especially from an ego perspective, try to take a step back before you do something drastic. I am speaking from experience here....

          The concern is if she is at a right level and that she is not an outlier on either end (too good or too bad). What someone is calling the team name/level shouldn't matter. Taking the parental opinion out of it (again, speaking from experience) while we try not to, I know I probably add 10% to my kid's evaluation because I know what she's doing and look at the bright side of something. Try to look at it from a 3rd party.

          It's not the end of the world what she's on now. My D was always on the 2nd team and only practiced with the higher team. Over time, she worked her way in. I will say I didn't agree with it, but at least we got a clear communication as to the way and eventually what the coach was saying came true.

          Sorry for the ramble. Just food for thought.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            There was 1 team in fall and winter. Now 2. Smaller roster and girls brought up from age group below us to form new B team. Good for the younger girls, not so good for the 4 sent down. Feels like a slap in the face.
            Yes, it is a slap in the face. The club used you in the Fall... Needed players and/or wanted you as a paying customer so put your daughter on the team. Now, after you paid for a certain level/certain coach/certain situation, for what was assumed to be an entire year... your daughter was bumped down. You should ask for a refund unless it works to your benefit (better situation for your daughter).

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              #7
              Yes you could demand a refund since there was one team in the fall playing at a particular level and now the new team is lower and it’s half way through the season. But my advice is to be realistic. Tell your daughter she belongs on the B team and have fun and play hard OR work harder than everyone else and be pulled up. People complain a lot about B teams when their child just isn’t good enough to play higher. Clubs always want good players and if a good player comes along then yes they will bump out a player with less skill and talent. If a player is good enough to be secure on a team they won’t be bumped down.

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                #8
                Almost all programs reserve the right to move players in the winter. Maybe it is better for their development! If you doht agree, go elsewhere

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Almost all programs reserve the right to move players in the winter. Maybe it is better for their development! If you doht agree, go elsewhere
                  Yes, go elsewhere... but get a refund first!

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Yes, go elsewhere... but get a refund first!
                    I don't see where a level was promised and it not being met now. There should be some type of language in the offer that tells you the league to play in, but that's generally ambiguous enough to slide by.

                    The question is more about where the individual should be, not where others are.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Yes you could demand a refund since there was one team in the fall playing at a particular level and now the new team is lower and it’s half way through the season. But my advice is to be realistic. Tell your daughter she belongs on the B team and have fun and play hard OR work harder than everyone else and be pulled up. People complain a lot about B teams when their child just isn’t good enough to play higher. Clubs always want good players and if a good player comes along then yes they will bump out a player with less skill and talent. If a player is good enough to be secure on a team they won’t be bumped down.
                      Not necessarily true. Kids get moved for politics or finances all the time. It doesn't mean they are "B team players." Some clubs need a few stronger players on B teams to make sure their results aren't terrible. It's bad for the player development but good for a club's bottom line. Losing teams don't attract new players; winning teams do. The fact that they added a B team this late in the year shows they are more concerned with money than development.

                      to the OP: You might have to stick it out for now (you might not be able to find her a better spot) but start looking for other options. Contact other clubs and get her to some practices elsewhere well before spring tryouts start. You'll get a better sense of where she fits outside of her current club. Make sure to ask around about the club's history of making similar cra* moves. If you decide to move make sure your contract spells out exactly what team she will be on, if need be write it in by hand and have the club sign off on it.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Not necessarily true. Kids get moved for politics or finances all the time. It doesn't mean they are "B team players." Some clubs need a few stronger players on B teams to make sure their results aren't terrible. It's bad for the player development but good for a club's bottom line. Losing teams don't attract new players; winning teams do. The fact that they added a B team this late in the year shows they are more concerned with money than development.

                        to the OP: You might have to stick it out for now (you might not be able to find her a better spot) but start looking for other options. Contact other clubs and get her to some practices elsewhere well before spring tryouts start. You'll get a better sense of where she fits outside of her current club. Make sure to ask around about the club's history of making similar cra* moves. If you decide to move make sure your contract spells out exactly what team she will be on, if need be write it in by hand and have the club sign off on it.
                        Thanks for the advice. My gut tells me she isn't worse than the girls retained and she has been reliable. We will be looking around. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm just tired of this coach I've been listening to for too long. Maybe just time for a change.

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                          #13
                          Finish the season and then never come back.

                          I would suspect that whatever paperwork you signed or agreed to only outlined what you, the customer, had to do (pay on time, show up) and did not actually outline any obligations on part of the club, especially with regards to a particular team, playing level, etc. So, if you've been paying on time, I suspect you won't get that money back. If you haven't, then stop payment now and leave early.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Finish the season and then never come back.

                            I would suspect that whatever paperwork you signed or agreed to only outlined what you, the customer, had to do (pay on time, show up) and did not actually outline any obligations on part of the club, especially with regards to a particular team, playing level, etc. So, if you've been paying on time, I suspect you won't get that money back. If you haven't, then stop payment now and leave early.
                            This is actually a good point. Many(most?) of us just sign whatever we need to sign when we commit to a club. Maybe it’s time that parents kick that back to the clubs. If you commit, get it in writing about what team/level you are committing to. Now, obviously, if the entire team gets moved down a level between seasons or similar that would be different than shuffling players around who committed based on one level and were burned mid-year.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Finish the season and then never come back.
                              Will be taking this advice. I think we need to part ways.

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