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**Unregistered** · 12-07-2017, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Very new to the college recruiting process and daughter is trying to put together an initial list of schools to target to see if she can get interest. It has been said many times that women's soccer "scholarships" usually are carved up into "partials" (like 1/2). In regard to tuition, if an athlete is offered a scholarship to an out-of-state college, is it a common practice for that college to waive the out-of-state tuition rates and charge the out-of-state student athlete in-state tuition rates?

If that is not common practice, can it be negotiated? Depending on the answer that could make a big financial difference in the cost of college.

As an example using Florida Gulf Coast University (FGCU):
Tuition and Fees In-state: $6,171 Out-of-state: $25,214

So if FGCU offered a player from Alabama a 1/2 scholarship and charged her out-of-state her family would owe $12,607 (1/2 of $25,214? Or if FGCU "waived the out-of-state" her family would owe $3,085 (1/2 of $6,171)?

Can anybody comment on how this works?

No waiver, and it depends on the state. Some states allow college students to become residents pretty easily, while others don't. In most cases you will lose your tax deduction or will have to prove you did not claim your child. They will have different requirements to prove where their support is coming from, which is also based on the state. My daughter was offered a $30,000 scholarship to a VA based school. When she asked about in-state tuition and being able to apply that money to housing or a meal plan they said if you get residency we will give you a 100% scholarship (tuition, off campus housing, meal plan, books).

She decided to take $2,800 from an instate school and get Bright Futures etc. We also had FLA prepaid, but we would have gotten our money back on that if she went out of state.

Hope this helps.

**Unregistered** · 12-07-2017, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

No waiver, and it depends on the state. Some states allow college students to become residents pretty easily, while others don't. In most cases you will lose your tax deduction or will have to prove you did not claim your child. They will have different requirements to prove where their support is coming from, which is also based on the state. My daughter was offered a $30,000 scholarship to a VA based school. When she asked about in-state tuition and being able to apply that money to housing or a meal plan they said if you get residency we will give you a 100% scholarship (tuition, off campus housing, meal plan, books).

She decided to take $2,800 from an instate school and get Bright Futures etc. We also had FLA prepaid, but we would have gotten our money back on that if she went out of state.

Hope this helps.

I appreciate it!

**Unregistered** · 12-07-2017, 03:21 PM

Varies a lot by school and state and it's hard to say there's any kind of hard and fast rule.
Obviously with privates it's all the same but privates still want out of state students so they might sweeten the pot a little. Some state schools will lower out of state tuition because they want out of state students. Really depends on how badly they want the applicant, be it for athletics, academics, cello player, whatever. Also don't be afraid to ask for a little more. Worse they can do is say no but sometimes they'll throw in a few extra dollars. Just don't be piggish about it

**Unregistered** · 12-07-2017, 04:57 PM

Five girls on my daughter's former club team played out of state. According to the
fathers, none of them paid out-of-state tuition costs. All said it was negotiated with their scholarship. Good luck on that 1/2 of a full scholarship too. That pie can be cut much smaller, but rarely much larger. Always depends on the player and their abilities. Have your daughter check how many foreign players are on the roster as they normally (99% of the time) get a full ride so that takes away possible scholarship money from the other players on the team.

**Unregistered** · 12-07-2017, 05:31 PM

Agree with the comment that there are no hard & fast rules and it varies by state and school. That said, it is very common for a waiver on the out-of-state tuition differential to be part of the overall financial aid package. Always compare your total net cost of attendance. We found that the schools with the highest sticker price often ended up being the most affordable from an out-of-pocket standpoint.

**Unregistered** · 12-07-2017, 05:42 PM

Does anybody besides me think it is completely ridiculous to offer scholarships to foreign players?
I can�t think of any other country that would give free money free education to a non citizen of another country

SMH !!!

**Unregistered** · 12-07-2017, 06:48 PM

Went through this a couple of times.

North Carolina used to do this, but it is now against the state law (changed in 2010) to offer in state tuition to an out of state resident - and getting that in state classification is a bear.

Georgia and Alabama do this regularly.

**Unregistered** · 12-07-2017, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Agree with the comment that there are no hard & fast rules and it varies by state and school. That said, it is very common for a waiver on the out-of-state tuition differential to be part of the overall financial aid package. Always compare your total net cost of attendance. We found that the schools with the highest sticker price often ended up being the most affordable from an out-of-pocket standpoint.

Just remember that the soccer may not work out and your kid will be at a school that u really cannot afford. Even if they like it and want to stay there, they may have to choose to stay on a soccer team they don't enjoy just to be able to afford the school

**Unregistered** · 12-08-2017, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Does anybody besides me think it is completely ridiculous to offer scholarships to foreign players?
I can�t think of any other country that would give free money free education to a non citizen of another country

SMH !!!

Coaches are paid to win. Doesn't matter where the player comes from. If the coach thinks that a foreign player gives them the best chance to win they'll do what they can to add that player to their roster. High level sports is s a results based industry.

**Unregistered** · 12-08-2017, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Just remember that the soccer may not work out and your kid will be at a school that u really cannot afford. Even if they like it and want to stay there, they may have to choose to stay on a soccer team they don't enjoy just to be able to afford the school

Maybe. My daughter is talking to some schools that have some form of "The XXXXX University Promise" which is basically an agreement that the school will honor the scholarship under almost all circumstances (coaching change, injury, new recruits coming in that are better) as long the student stays academically eligible and has no disciplinary problems. She has heard this from two private schools - not sure if public schools have some form of the "promise."

The coach explained that it is basically a contract between the player and the school, not just an agreement between the coach and the player. Seems very attractive.

**Unregistered** · 12-08-2017, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Maybe. My daughter is talking to some schools that have some form of "The XXXXX University Promise" which is basically an agreement that the school will honor the scholarship under almost all circumstances (coaching change, injury, new recruits coming in that are better) as long the student stays academically eligible and has no disciplinary problems. She has heard this from two private schools - not sure if public schools have some form of the "promise."

The coach explained that it is basically a contract between the player and the school, not just an agreement between the coach and the player. Seems very attractive.

That doesn't sound like a soccer scholarship. The point is, your daughter will have to stick with playing soccer (or at least being on the team which doesn't want to) and committ all that time to soccer to continue to afford that school via scholarship

**Unregistered** · 12-09-2017, 08:19 AM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

That doesn't sound like a soccer scholarship. The point is, your daughter will have to stick with playing soccer (or at least being on the team which doesn't want to) and committ all that time to soccer to continue to afford that school via scholarship

I think there are five conferences that guarantee all four years. Outside of that it is very uncommon, understandably so from the school's/coach's perspective (stuck paying money for a player that didn't work out or had a career ending injury). Obviously it's very appealing to players.

But yes your general point about making sure the school is the best academic fit for your child (first priority) and that you can afford it with or without a scholarship is very important to most families. I've know a few athletes that have had to transfer because their money was cut. It's also why academic (merit) awards are highly desirable over athletic ones. As long as you maintain a manageable GPA the funds are guaranteed all four years. Combine with some financial aid (which also won't change much unless your income changes) and suddenly a very pricey school is now very affordable.

**Unregistered** · 12-09-2017, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Went through this a couple of times.

North Carolina used to do this, but it is now against the state law (changed in 2010) to offer in state tuition to an out of state resident - and getting that in state classification is a bear.

Georgia and Alabama do this regularly.

UNC offers their walk-ons in-state tuition.

**Unregistered** · 12-09-2017, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Maybe. My daughter is talking to some schools that have some form of "The XXXXX University Promise" which is basically an agreement that the school will honor the scholarship under almost all circumstances (coaching change, injury, new recruits coming in that are better) as long the student stays academically eligible and has no disciplinary problems. She has heard this from two private schools - not sure if public schools have some form of the "promise."

The coach explained that it is basically a contract between the player and the school, not just an agreement between the coach and the player. Seems very attractive.

Son was told by several schools that if he leaves to play pro after anytime from 1 season on, school education is guaranteed and he can come back anytime to finish.

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