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    Will Boys ECNL deplete the DA?

    I think the flexibility afforded to players of ECNL teams to compete in high school athletics may cause a talent shift in boys soccer.

    #2
    Just posted this on another thread - JMHO based on boys I've seen come and go out of DA and where they've landed etc.

    DA will be fine, but it will take a hit. Top players, especially at MLS clubs, will stick with it.
    But lower ones and those at pay to play clubs will I think at least take a look. Some DA clubs aren't any better than some non DA ones, and players can end up at the same schools without having to give up HS sports. It varies player to player but DA doesn't fit for all. Now kids will have an option, as will the girls with GDA starting.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      I think the flexibility afforded to players of ECNL teams to compete in high school athletics may cause a talent shift in boys soccer.
      No. We have had NPL for years and it hasn't impacted DA. Players leave DA for NPL teams. DA always fills the spots and keeps chugging along

      What's so different about Boys ECNL

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        What's so different about Boys ECNL
        Other than that it's a vacuum which is about to be filled by talent? If DA talent heads there then it hurts DA.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          No. We have had NPL for years and it hasn't impacted DA. Players leave DA for NPL teams. DA always fills the spots and keeps chugging along

          What's so different about Boys ECNL
          The only difference is a bigger travel cost relative to what most families of boys are now spending. Costs will jump to between $8-10K

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            The only difference is a bigger travel cost relative to what most families of boys are now spending. Costs will jump to between $8-10K
            Exactly. Boys ECNL is no nirvana. It's just another league with more travel

            It's no different to Region 1 or National League.

            It will not have a discernible impact on DAP. It may impact other NPL leagues and USYS offerings but that's about it

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Exactly. Boys ECNL is no nirvana. It's just another league with more travel

              It's no different to Region 1 or National League.

              It will not have a discernible impact on DAP. It may impact other NPL leagues and USYS offerings but that's about it
              That cost estimate is overblown and there's plenty of ways to slash it. Plenty of DA players are paying now anyway, so the incremental cost of ECNL (which isn't a large difference depending on the club) won't matter to many DA pay-to-play families. Same is true to ECNL vs GDA - many families won't chose based on price but based on which league works best for their kids. Boys ECNL offers the next best thing to DA - a national platform with plenty of college exposure and showcases. NPL can't say the same because it's very fragmented and the quality of NPL leagues varies greatly around the US. Getting national exposure typically only happens at the national playoff level, otherwise it's very regionally focused. I think with both genders NPL takes the biggest hit - some will go to ECNL as spots open up there, and some even go to DA. NPL becomes the 3rd tier very quickly.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                That cost estimate is overblown and there's plenty of ways to slash it. Plenty of DA players are paying now anyway, so the incremental cost of ECNL (which isn't a large difference depending on the club) won't matter to many DA pay-to-play families. Same is true to ECNL vs GDA - many families won't chose based on price but based on which league works best for their kids. Boys ECNL offers the next best thing to DA - a national platform with plenty of college exposure and showcases. NPL can't say the same because it's very fragmented and the quality of NPL leagues varies greatly around the US. Getting national exposure typically only happens at the national playoff level, otherwise it's very regionally focused. I think with both genders NPL takes the biggest hit - some will go to ECNL as spots open up there, and some even go to DA. NPL becomes the 3rd tier very quickly.
                Agree on the costs. Still don't think that Boys ECNL dents DA at all

                Why is a national platform needed as most boys players will go to NewEngland or Mid Atlantic Colleges

                Now if DAP ever went to a MLS and non MLS tiers, that would positively impact Boys ECNL

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Agree on the costs. Still don't think that Boys ECNL dents DA at all

                  Why is a national platform needed as most boys players will go to NewEngland or Mid Atlantic Colleges

                  Now if DAP ever went to a MLS and non MLS tiers, that would positively impact Boys ECNL
                  And that may happen. I agree with poster above that the non MLS clubs will take a partial blow. If they weaken more then the MLS clubs have an even stronger case to make for separation, which would definitely then start to spiral.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Agree on the costs. Still don't think that Boys ECNL dents DA at all

                    Why is a national platform needed as most boys players will go to NewEngland or Mid Atlantic Colleges

                    Now if DAP ever went to a MLS and non MLS tiers, that would positively impact Boys ECNL
                    The Revs would pay good money to keep themselves insulated from humiliation by pay to play DA clubs.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      The Revs would pay good money to keep themselves insulated from humiliation by pay to play DA clubs.
                      So they can get bit** slapped by other MLS clubs on a regular basis? Sounds like fun. At least they can beat some of the non MLS teams now.

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                        #12
                        Around here, hard to see boys ECNL having much impact. If I understand correctly, there's 2 teams- Stars and Bolts. Stars mostly is a girls club, and on Bolts you'll be on the 2nd team- any college coach will tell you to play NEFC or GPS before playing for a 2nd team. And I think the NPL winner plays ECNL winners down the road. But hey, knock yourself out with the unnecessary travel.

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                          #13
                          Will boys ECNL deplete DA? No. Dent maybe. But there will be others to fill the vacancies. Question will be who leaves and when? Like GDA starting I think if boys ECNL goes anywhere it will take some time - kids already in recruit mode won't move to an unknown entity

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Will boys ECNL deplete DA? No. Dent maybe. But there will be others to fill the vacancies. Question will be who leaves and when? Like GDA starting I think if boys ECNL goes anywhere it will take some time - kids already in recruit mode won't move to an unknown entity
                            Boys and girls have different considerations given widely different potential outcomes (more college money for girls; more career potential for boys), but agree that there will be a transition period for both new leagues. But i think the bigger difference is what they're trying to be- GDAP is trying to supplant ECNL as top league- given it's support from the top, one would think it has a pretty good shot. Boys ENCL is trying to be the 2nd league- an alternative to DA- so seems like NPL is the one who would be dented/supplanted (except that its from the same people and really is just a wider NPL).

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Boys and girls have different considerations given widely different potential outcomes (more college money for girls; more career potential for boys), but agree that there will be a transition period for both new leagues. But i think the bigger difference is what they're trying to be- GDAP is trying to supplant ECNL as top league- given it's support from the top, one would think it has a pretty good shot. Boys ENCL is trying to be the 2nd league- an alternative to DA- so seems like NPL is the one who would be dented/supplanted (except that its from the same people and really is just a wider NPL).
                              I agree with your post, but realistically what sort of career potential is there for boys? Coaching?

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