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    Dual Rostering

    Would like to hear the thoughts on both positive and negetive experiences if possible.

    #2
    Negative

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Would like to hear the thoughts on both positive and negetive experiences if possible.
      What is dual rostering? Is it when a "win first" club moves players from a higher team to a lower team to make sure they don't lose? If so, that is just business as usual.

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        #4
        Good way to ensure there are enough players to cover multiple teams in an age bracket. Especially helpful during tournaments, when kids could have up to 3 games in a day. Also helpful when you have a "on the cusp" player, who will be brought into the "A" team occasionally but is a "B" level player.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          What is dual rostering? Is it when a "win first" club moves players from a higher team to a lower team to make sure they don't lose? If so, that is just business as usual.
          In some cases. Another reason is to be able to field two or more teams with short rosters, so all kids have plenty of playing time on their team and support the other team when there is a problem with numbers. Let's say you have 28 players-candidates for the next year 11v11 team. What you gonna do as a c
          DOC? Create 1 team and cut 8-10 players and earn the $Club Fee x 18 or create two with short rosters and get the Club Fee x28?

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            #6
            Dual rostering is when you are rostered with two different teams, example- club and travel soccer. In my opinion that's ok, the more touches on the ball, the better. If the travel coach is no good, I wouldn't do it. As far as having a player pool within a club, we have had negative experiences with it and I believe there should be a set roster, especially at u11 and up.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Good way to ensure there are enough players to cover multiple teams in an age bracket. Especially helpful during tournaments, when kids could have up to 3 games in a day. Also helpful when you have a "on the cusp" player, who will be brought into the "A" team occasionally but is a "B" level player.
              Yes to ^^^ this. It gives a club much more flexibility to manage games and move players according to need and ability. Some clubs don't manage the process well however

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Dual rostering is when you are rostered with two different teams, example- club and travel soccer. In my opinion that's ok, the more touches on the ball, the better. If the travel coach is no good, I wouldn't do it. As far as having a player pool within a club, we have had negative experiences with it and I believe there should be a set roster, especially at u11 and up.
                If it's travel and club it really depends. It's easy to burn out and conflicts often arise. Yes more touches is good, but if the quality in travel is poor at some point it's best to stick to club only (most stop doing both by u12 or so).

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Dual rostering is when you are rostered with two different teams, example- club and travel soccer. In my opinion that's ok, the more touches on the ball, the better. If the travel coach is no good, I wouldn't do it. As far as having a player pool within a club, we have had negative experiences with it and I believe there should be a set roster, especially at u11 and up.
                  Don't know what age your kid is, but at age 15+ there are lots of times when additional players are needed - even on an 18-20 player roster. Due to 20 games in high school, showcases, regular games, playoffs, etc. the injuries mount up and there are plenty of weekends when there are 5-6 players on the bench in sweats, casts, slings and boots. To protect the players that are left, players move up from lower levels or lower age groups. It's the reality.

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                    #10
                    It ok if a player ask for it and not ok if the club requires it.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Don't know what age your kid is, but at age 15+ there are lots of times when additional players are needed - even on an 18-20 player roster. Due to 20 games in high school, showcases, regular games, playoffs, etc. the injuries mount up and there are plenty of weekends when there are 5-6 players on the bench in sweats, casts, slings and boots. To protect the players that are left, players move up from lower levels or lower age groups. It's the reality.
                      My now U16 GK was moved all over the club last year to fill in where necessary - injuries, ACT or college visits etc. Obviously this year as a U16 he can only do U16 or older but it was and is a very good experience for him - more experience, different coaches and competition without a full double team commitment.

                      Agree with above though that a lot of clubs don't handle it right. A big part is communication and a transparent process. If parents don't know what's going on then people gossip, get jealous...it can get ugly. Been there before as well

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Dual rostering is when you are rostered with two different teams, example- club and travel soccer. In my opinion that's ok, the more touches on the ball, the better. If the travel coach is no good, I wouldn't do it. As far as having a player pool within a club, we have had negative experiences with it and I believe there should be a set roster, especially at u11 and up.
                        I can certainly understand the frustration with a player pool from a parent and even a coach perspective. Clearly set rosters are better for logistics and planning. Not at all convinced that its better for player development, especially for 11-13 year old girls. players need opportunity to play above/below level. Combination of challenge and confidence building is critical. Hard to watch a player become aware that she doesn't belong at a certain level

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          What is dual rostering? Is it when a "win first" club moves players from a higher team to a lower team to make sure they don't lose? If so, that is just business as usual.
                          This is called 'fluidity' in the rostering....made famous by Valeo but used by many other clubs as well.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            What is dual rostering? Is it when a "win first" club moves players from a higher team to a lower team to make sure they don't lose? If so, that is just business as usual.
                            This seems like it would be bad for the kids self-esteem. Knowing that they can't win unless kids from higher levels come and "help them out". That is pretty lame though I'm sure it happens. We are at a small club so there isn't that option, we can only bring kids up from the lower age level.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              This seems like it would be bad for the kids self-esteem. Knowing that they can't win unless kids from higher levels come and "help them out". That is pretty lame though I'm sure it happens. We are at a small club so there isn't that option, we can only bring kids up from the lower age level.
                              Only for those who can't handle the process. It is good for development to have players move up and down depending on performance week to week. Problem is 1) clubs don't always handle it in a fair and equitable manner (or transparent either) 2) parents worry about hurting little Johnny's feelings and may stay away from those situations. So that clubs can fill multiple team rosters they try to avoid upsetting the gravy train.

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