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    Florida teams at CASL

    Looks like FKK, OC, Rush, JAX, Team Boca, Weston and TBU came out with losing records.
    Sunrise, IMG, Cape Coral and FESA all had winning records.
    FKK and TBU really stunk it up.
    How does FKK have 9 teams entered? No other club is even close.

    From what I can gather on the total record for each club over the weekend
    (Wins-losses-draws):

    FKK - 9 teams
    5-13-9

    Orlando City - 2 teams
    1-4-1

    Rush - 1 team
    0-3-0

    Cape Coral - 2 teams
    3-2-1

    FESA - 1 team
    3-0-0

    FC Florida - 1 team
    1-1-1

    IMG - 4 teams
    8-3-1

    JASA - 3 teams
    2-4-3

    Armada - 1 team
    0-2-1

    Sunrise - 2 teams
    5-0-1

    Team Boca - 4 teams
    2-6-4

    Weston - 2 teams
    1-2-3

    TBU - 5 teams
    2-12-1

    #2
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Looks like FKK, OC, Rush, JAX, Team Boca, Weston and TBU came out with losing records.
    Sunrise, IMG, Cape Coral and FESA all had winning records.
    FKK and TBU really stunk it up.
    How does FKK have 9 teams entered? No other club is even close.

    From what I can gather on the total record for each club over the weekend
    (Wins-losses-draws):

    FKK - 9 teams
    5-13-9

    Orlando City - 2 teams
    1-4-1

    Rush - 1 team
    0-3-0

    Cape Coral - 2 teams
    3-2-1

    FESA - 1 team
    3-0-0

    FC Florida - 1 team
    1-1-1

    IMG - 4 teams
    8-3-1

    JASA - 3 teams
    2-4-3

    Armada - 1 team
    0-2-1

    Sunrise - 2 teams
    5-0-1

    Team Boca - 4 teams
    2-6-4

    Weston - 2 teams
    1-2-3

    TBU - 5 teams
    2-12-1
    Wrong records - try again.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Wrong records - try again.
      No its not. Which team may be wrong? Point it out.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Wrong records - try again.
        LOL. Gotta love bitter parents. Wont even point out which club. Probably an FKK or TBU parent. Doesn't want to point it out. Maybe the team record is off by one. Still stunk it up.

        On another note, the record gives a snapshot of which club is better at developing players. Or at the very least, developing a team. Its a small sampling, but you can see which clubs do better than others. Clubs that only had one or two teams represented don't have enough "data".

        But TBU and FKK (5 and 9 teams respectively), are well represented and did horrible.

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          #5
          Space Coast- 2 teams
          4-1-1

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Space Coast- 2 teams
            4-1-1
            That makes it 14 total teams. Unless a couple more were missed.

            So total record for Florida at CASL:

            14 clubs - 39 teams - 37-53-27

            37 wins
            53 losses
            27 draws

            It would be interesting to see compared to other states.


            A couple of teams won their bracket. Congrats!!!!

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              LOL. Gotta love bitter parents. Wont even point out which club. Probably an FKK or TBU parent. Doesn't want to point it out. Maybe the team record is off by one. Still stunk it up.

              On another note, the record gives a snapshot of which club is better at developing players. Or at the very least, developing a team. Its a small sampling, but you can see which clubs do better than others. Clubs that only had one or two teams represented don't have enough "data".

              But TBU and FKK (5 and 9 teams respectively), are well represented and did horrible.
              What's funny is that this was a showcase where no trophies are won or points given in a rankings system. So these clubs did their jobs on showcasing their players to the coaches that were there. Win lose or draw the players played the games and showcased what they got playing in weather that we are not used to playing down south. As for the development part, how is this an indicator of this when majority of the girls have been playing with there high school teams and haven't been practicing with club teams but only once a week. Where the development is shown is in state cup where results do matter. In showcases results don't matter.

              If you say that college coaches do care for results well I think college coaches go to see players and how they play in different conditions, when there winning and when there losing, do players just give up or do they keeping fighting.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                What's funny is that this was a showcase where no trophies are won or points given in a rankings system. So these clubs did their jobs on showcasing their players to the coaches that were there. Win lose or draw the players played the games and showcased what they got playing in weather that we are not used to playing down south. As for the development part, how is this an indicator of this when majority of the girls have been playing with there high school teams and haven't been practicing with club teams but only once a week. Where the development is shown is in state cup where results do matter. In showcases results don't matter.

                If you say that college coaches do care for results well I think college coaches go to see players and how they play in different conditions, when there winning and when there losing, do players just give up or do they keeping fighting.
                Depends on coaching philosophy but a showcase should be a time for all players to showcase. Yet some coaches don't let all the players off the bench even when the ones on the field are committed. Sad!

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  What's funny is that this was a showcase where no trophies are won or points given in a rankings system. So these clubs did their jobs on showcasing their players to the coaches that were there. Win lose or draw the players played the games and showcased what they got playing in weather that we are not used to playing down south. As for the development part, how is this an indicator of this when majority of the girls have been playing with there high school teams and haven't been practicing with club teams but only once a week. Where the development is shown is in state cup where results do matter. In showcases results don't matter.

                  If you say that college coaches do care for results well I think college coaches go to see players and how they play in different conditions, when there winning and when there losing, do players just give up or do they keeping fighting.
                  Somewhat agree. Our club's philosophy is that everyone plays equal minutes at Showcases to get equal exposure. Trust me, when they are playing to win that is not the case!!

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Looks like FKK, OC, Rush, JAX, Team Boca, Weston and TBU came out with losing records.
                    Sunrise, IMG, Cape Coral and FESA all had winning records.
                    FKK and TBU really stunk it up.
                    How does FKK have 9 teams entered? No other club is even close.

                    From what I can gather on the total record for each club over the weekend
                    (Wins-losses-draws):

                    FKK - 9 teams
                    5-13-9

                    Orlando City - 2 teams
                    1-4-1

                    Rush - 1 team
                    0-3-0

                    Cape Coral - 2 teams
                    3-2-1

                    FESA - 1 team
                    3-0-0

                    FC Florida - 1 team
                    1-1-1

                    IMG - 4 teams
                    8-3-1

                    JASA - 3 teams
                    2-4-3

                    Armada - 1 team
                    0-2-1

                    Sunrise - 2 teams
                    5-0-1

                    Team Boca - 4 teams
                    2-6-4

                    Weston - 2 teams
                    1-2-3

                    TBU - 5 teams
                    2-12-1
                    ACYS had 3 teams. How did they make out?

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      What's funny is that this was a showcase where no trophies are won or points given in a rankings system. So these clubs did their jobs on showcasing their players to the coaches that were there. Win lose or draw the players played the games and showcased what they got playing in weather that we are not used to playing down south. As for the development part, how is this an indicator of this when majority of the girls have been playing with there high school teams and haven't been practicing with club teams but only once a week. Where the development is shown is in state cup where results do matter. In showcases results don't matter.

                      If you say that college coaches do care for results well I think college coaches go to see players and how they play in different conditions, when there winning and when there losing, do players just give up or do they keeping fighting.
                      Wow. The number of excuses that roll off your keyboard is amazing. You covered everything to justify the poor results. And then you pulled out the old "State Cup" argument. That tournament has not been relevant in years. You definitely work for a club. I'm going to guess Team Boca? I've definitely heard this speech before. Please correct me if it is a different club. I want everyone to have equal footing.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        What's funny is that this was a showcase where no trophies are won or points given in a rankings system. So these clubs did their jobs on showcasing their players to the coaches that were there. Win lose or draw the players played the games and showcased what they got playing in weather that we are not used to playing down south. As for the development part, how is this an indicator of this when majority of the girls have been playing with there high school teams and haven't been practicing with club teams but only once a week. Where the development is shown is in state cup where results do matter. In showcases results don't matter.

                        If you say that college coaches do care for results well I think college coaches go to see players and how they play in different conditions, when there winning and when there losing, do players just give up or do they keeping fighting.
                        You are correct, its a showcase. No trophies. The wins, losses don't matter in regards to the showcasing of the individual players. But it is ABSOLUTELY an indication of development.
                        Especially since players (should) be getting equal playing time. That would show which club develops their players.....ALL players. State Cup is DEFINITELY NOT an indication of development. Clubs will stack teams, guest play ECNL players, only play their "studs", etc. That is contrary to development.
                        For example: If a coach develops 18 girls for 8 months, but then gets 5 guest players from the ECNL squad and wins State Cup, how is that showing any development? If 5 of his "developed" players sat the bench, does that show how well he developed them?

                        The Showcase in its true form is the better indication of club development.

                        As for your point on H.S. soccer, all teams have girls in H.S.. So if it applies to the teams that performed badly, what is the argument for the teams that performed well?

                        Everything is equal.

                        So again, lets use TBU as an example ( I promise I'm not a TBU hater. I live hundreds of miles from there).
                        They had 5 teams at CASL. They played all their developed players equally - in true showcase fashion. They only won 2 out of 15 games. You can argue their players had no chemistry together (lack of team development); their players didn't perform to the level needed (lack of individual player development).

                        If they would have played their "studs/superstars" and sat the "scrubs" its possible they would have won more games. But then that would show that they don't properly develop ALL their players.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Wow. The number of excuses that roll off your keyboard is amazing. You covered everything to justify the poor results. And then you pulled out the old "State Cup" argument. That tournament has not been relevant in years. You definitely work for a club. I'm going to guess Team Boca? I've definitely heard this speech before. Please correct me if it is a different club. I want everyone to have equal footing.
                          Not excuses my friend, just stating the facts that at the end of the day a college coach will recruit players based on skill and what they can bring to there program, not recruit based on results at one tournament...

                          Your comments just show your ignorance to the whole concept of a showcase...

                          And the other funny thing is your child will probably end up playing college for 2-4 years(if they get a spot on a team) then get a job and start what's called real life...

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            You are correct, its a showcase. No trophies. The wins, losses don't matter in regards to the showcasing of the individual players. But it is ABSOLUTELY an indication of development.
                            Especially since players (should) be getting equal playing time. That would show which club develops their players.....ALL players. State Cup is DEFINITELY NOT an indication of development. Clubs will stack teams, guest play ECNL players, only play their "studs", etc. That is contrary to development.
                            For example: If a coach develops 18 girls for 8 months, but then gets 5 guest players from the ECNL squad and wins State Cup, how is that showing any development? If 5 of his "developed" players sat the bench, does that show how well he developed them?

                            The Showcase in its true form is the better indication of club development.

                            As for your point on H.S. soccer, all teams have girls in H.S.. So if it applies to the teams that performed badly, what is the argument for the teams that performed well?

                            Everything is equal.

                            So again, lets use TBU as an example ( I promise I'm not a TBU hater. I live hundreds of miles from there).
                            They had 5 teams at CASL. They played all their developed players equally - in true showcase fashion. They only won 2 out of 15 games. You can argue their players had no chemistry together (lack of team development); their players didn't perform to the level needed (lack of individual player development).

                            If they would have played their "studs/superstars" and sat the "scrubs" its possible they would have won more games. But then that would show that they don't properly develop ALL their players.
                            Let's talk about the point you make about all teams have girls in high school soccer, if you see every schedule majority of the teams Florida teams played were against teams from up north, high school soccer doesn't start for them until the spring. A lot of the northern teams are at the tale end of there seasons because the winter months is there off season, like the summer is our off season. So if you want to say everything is equal I disagree only because the majority of the teams from outside the state of Florida are coming in ready to play while the teams from Florida are coming in with only a few practices since the start of high school season. Now unless your an IMG or academy style club I can see how those teams did so well being that they don't break for high school.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Not excuses my friend, just stating the facts that at the end of the day a college coach will recruit players based on skill and what they can bring to there program, not recruit based on results at one tournament...

                              Your comments just show your ignorance to the whole concept of a showcase...

                              And the other funny thing is your child will probably end up playing college for 2-4 years(if they get a spot on a team) then get a job and start what's called real life...
                              I'm not the OP, but no one is arguing the concept or priority of a showcase.
                              College coaches go there see what they need to see. But its possible to then take the performance of the teams to study which teams have team chemistry, higher level tactics, etc.
                              So the college recruiters don't need to know the wins and losses.
                              But a parent that wants their kid to get developed equally to the superstars of a team can look at the record of a club in a showcase and make an informed decision.
                              If a team in a showcase played their bottom 8 players equally to their top 8 players and still did well, I want my kid on that team because they are obviously getting taught correctly, and the entire team is on the same page tactically.
                              If a team played their bottom 8 equally to their top 8, and did poorly, then that can be an indication that they don't properly teach all their players and only rely on studs or long-ball to the fast forwards.

                              On the contrary, a team that does well in state cup by sitting their bottom 8 players and only playing their 8 studs and 5 guest studs (which are already good players) only shows that that they rely on the talent and not the team tactics and team development.

                              I don't think you have a clue on development.

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