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    The Constant Hate Rhetoric

    In the interests of full disclosure, I am not Perspective, Fred, JD, BTDT or any of the other usual suspects.

    I do have kids in different clubs and that’s all I will say about it since anything more would expose me to the nutjobs on this board, and that is the last thing I want for my kids.

    My question is very simple – Why are the NEFC proponents so out of control? It makes no sense to me and frankly I am embarrassed by their behavior.

    • They have enjoyed great success since their creation and have become a powerhouse club
    • They have produced some great talent and teams, but of course, so have the other clubs
    • They seem poised to become even stronger with the Breakers affiliation and the emerging DAP program, despite all its potential warts, it will appeal to some, but not all, however I am sure it will be successful
    • I have never witnessed any of this type of behavior between the players, teams or the parents on the sidelines. Most everyone is respectful of each other, even in lopsided games or “upsets” if such a thing even exists
    • The nastiness of the posts are beyond crazy and reflect very poorly on whoever the source is
    • I do not for a minute believe that the people in charge of these clubs are the ones posting this crap
    • Why do these posters focus purely on extremely negative acts and borderline libel statements?
    • Why do they not realize that when they post like that they are eliciting responses from paying customers of the targeted club who rightfully get offended since in reality these attacks are indirectly, if not directly, aimed at their kids, not the people running the club?
    • Why do they care so much? (I do think it is more than one person, no one can keep the pace unless they are truly sitting in their mother’s basement with a compute)
    • In the end, their behavior hurts the club the support so much. Why can’t they figure that out?

    At the end of the day, this is girls club soccer. I realize there is quite a bit of money at stake but really, the end goal for the players is to become the best they can be and for the very few, play in college and perhaps get a couple of bucks to do so. When it is all said and done, any player who cannot say that they enjoyed the ride while they were on were failed by the parents for putting them into that position. And a major component of that equation besides the obvious training aspect, is to have them play on teams with players they like and can grow with, not who is running the ship.

    #2
    Nicely done. Thank you. More people should speak up. A decade of this really is enough.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      In the interests of full disclosure, I am not Perspective, Fred, JD, BTDT or any of the other usual suspects.

      I do have kids in different clubs and that’s all I will say about it since anything more would expose me to the nutjobs on this board, and that is the last thing I want for my kids.

      My question is very simple – Why are the NEFC proponents so out of control? It makes no sense to me and frankly I am embarrassed by their behavior.

      • They have enjoyed great success since their creation and have become a powerhouse club
      • They have produced some great talent and teams, but of course, so have the other clubs
      • They seem poised to become even stronger with the Breakers affiliation and the emerging DAP program, despite all its potential warts, it will appeal to some, but not all, however I am sure it will be successful
      • I have never witnessed any of this type of behavior between the players, teams or the parents on the sidelines. Most everyone is respectful of each other, even in lopsided games or “upsets” if such a thing even exists
      • The nastiness of the posts are beyond crazy and reflect very poorly on whoever the source is
      • I do not for a minute believe that the people in charge of these clubs are the ones posting this crap
      • Why do these posters focus purely on extremely negative acts and borderline libel statements?
      • Why do they not realize that when they post like that they are eliciting responses from paying customers of the targeted club who rightfully get offended since in reality these attacks are indirectly, if not directly, aimed at their kids, not the people running the club?
      • Why do they care so much? (I do think it is more than one person, no one can keep the pace unless they are truly sitting in their mother’s basement with a compute)
      • In the end, their behavior hurts the club the support so much. Why can’t they figure that out?

      At the end of the day, this is girls club soccer. I realize there is quite a bit of money at stake but really, the end goal for the players is to become the best they can be and for the very few, play in college and perhaps get a couple of bucks to do so. When it is all said and done, any player who cannot say that they enjoyed the ride while they were on were failed by the parents for putting them into that position. And a major component of that equation besides the obvious training aspect, is to have them play on teams with players they like and can grow with, not who is running the ship.
      You wrote a lot for a guy who is asking why other care.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        You wrote a lot for a guy who is asking why other care.
        I am sick of it. Didn't mean to offend you. Read another thread if you don't like the message.

        And I do care, as I said, it reflects poorly on both my kids, albeit in different ways. If I saw this on the pitch, I probably wouldn't even comment. But the players on different club teams, play together in HS, DS, Camps, Clinics, etc. and I have never seen any of the derision that is written here. Perhaps some of us should take a page from their book.

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          #5
          I don't think it's just here. It's the lawlessness of the internet and the fact this forum is anon. Put your name behind some of the bashing, and it immediately gets a lot less.

          But, to my first point, read any internet forum with Patriots fans on it. The most condescending group of people I've ever seen. I pop around to other markets, and see how they invade another city's sports pages, and it's much worse.

          I use them only as an example, but a live one today. It's easy to act tough and outshout others opinions when you are anon. Gets much different when standing next to someone on the sidelines.

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            #6
            Miserable people love to spread misery.

            Also, the problem with trolling is that with the anonymous written word, context and intent is usually lost (think smartass) and then threads spiral out of control as we see here.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              In the interests of full disclosure, I am not Perspective, Fred, JD, BTDT or any of the other usual suspects.

              I do have kids in different clubs and that’s all I will say about it since anything more would expose me to the nutjobs on this board, and that is the last thing I want for my kids.

              My question is very simple – Why are the NEFC proponents so out of control? It makes no sense to me and frankly I am embarrassed by their behavior.

              • They have enjoyed great success since their creation and have become a powerhouse club
              • They have produced some great talent and teams, but of course, so have the other clubs
              • They seem poised to become even stronger with the Breakers affiliation and the emerging DAP program, despite all its potential warts, it will appeal to some, but not all, however I am sure it will be successful
              • I have never witnessed any of this type of behavior between the players, teams or the parents on the sidelines. Most everyone is respectful of each other, even in lopsided games or “upsets” if such a thing even exists
              • The nastiness of the posts are beyond crazy and reflect very poorly on whoever the source is
              • I do not for a minute believe that the people in charge of these clubs are the ones posting this crap
              • Why do these posters focus purely on extremely negative acts and borderline libel statements?
              • Why do they not realize that when they post like that they are eliciting responses from paying customers of the targeted club who rightfully get offended since in reality these attacks are indirectly, if not directly, aimed at their kids, not the people running the club?
              • Why do they care so much? (I do think it is more than one person, no one can keep the pace unless they are truly sitting in their mother’s basement with a compute)
              • In the end, their behavior hurts the club the support so much. Why can’t they figure that out?

              At the end of the day, this is girls club soccer. I realize there is quite a bit of money at stake but really, the end goal for the players is to become the best they can be and for the very few, play in college and perhaps get a couple of bucks to do so. When it is all said and done, any player who cannot say that they enjoyed the ride while they were on were failed by the parents for putting them into that position. And a major component of that equation besides the obvious training aspect, is to have them play on teams with players they like and can grow with, not who is running the ship.
              It's actually people like you pointing fingers when you are just guessing that causes 99% of what goes on here. What proof do you have of anything other than your personal bias? How can you say it is one club in particular that is causing so much of the negativity when it is just as likely that it is some troll posting inflammatory stuff just to get the different parties to start bickering with each other? Have you ever considered that there are elements here that see a post like this to be inflammatory and begging for a response? Why then be surprised when someone assumes you are a Stars or Scorpions parent and lashes back at them blaming you for all of the hate directed at NEFC? The hate cuts both ways so if you want to stop the bickering why don't you take that finger you are pointing and stick in your eye. That will be far more productive than what you are actually doing.

              As far as NEFC proponents being here and you objecting to them, perhaps that is a function of their club basically being at the heart of all the recent developments. Let's face it, NEFC is making big news these days in a positive way, that just the reality of the situation. When any club is making news (good or bad) you have to assume that it will be discussed here and that posters are going to have their say both pro and con. Why is it that you object to one side having their say but not the other? That's pretty inflammatory all by itself but then when you add in that the other club in the news lately is there because they really seem to have made a pretty big mistake, the fact that you apparently don't want that discussed paints you as pretty much a flag waver for that specific club. That then really leads many here to see you as one of the "shlt stirrers" you seem to be attacking so perhaps you might to take a good hard look in the mirror because if its OK for you to be a flag waving basher, why shouldn't it be OK for others?

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                It's actually people like you pointing fingers when you are just guessing that causes 99% of what goes on here. What proof do you have of anything other than your personal bias? How can you say it is one club in particular that is causing so much of the negativity when it is just as likely that it is some troll posting inflammatory stuff just to get the different parties to start bickering with each other? Have you ever considered that there are elements here that see a post like this to be inflammatory and begging for a response? Why then be surprised when someone assumes you are a Stars or Scorpions parent and lashes back at them blaming you for all of the hate directed at NEFC? The hate cuts both ways so if you want to stop the bickering why don't you take that finger you are pointing and stick in your eye. That will be far more productive than what you are actually doing.

                As far as NEFC proponents being here and you objecting to them, perhaps that is a function of their club basically being at the heart of all the recent developments. Let's face it, NEFC is making big news these days in a positive way, that just the reality of the situation. When any club is making news (good or bad) you have to assume that it will be discussed here and that posters are going to have their say both pro and con. Why is it that you object to one side having their say but not the other? That's pretty inflammatory all by itself but then when you add in that the other club in the news lately is there because they really seem to have made a pretty big mistake, the fact that you apparently don't want that discussed paints you as pretty much a flag waver for that specific club. That then really leads many here to see you as one of the "shlt stirrers" you seem to be attacking so perhaps you might to take a good hard look in the mirror because if its OK for you to be a flag waving basher, why shouldn't it be OK for others?
                Finally some sanity!! Spot on.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Finally some sanity!! Spot on.
                  Will the pathetically transparent self-replies by BTDT never cease?

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    In the interests of full disclosure, I am not Perspective, Fred, JD, BTDT or any of the other usual suspects.

                    I do have kids in different clubs and that’s all I will say about it since anything more would expose me to the nutjobs on this board, and that is the last thing I want for my kids.

                    My question is very simple – Why are the NEFC proponents so out of control? It makes no sense to me and frankly I am embarrassed by their behavior.

                    • They have enjoyed great success since their creation and have become a powerhouse club
                    • They have produced some great talent and teams, but of course, so have the other clubs
                    • They seem poised to become even stronger with the Breakers affiliation and the emerging DAP program, despite all its potential warts, it will appeal to some, but not all, however I am sure it will be successful
                    • I have never witnessed any of this type of behavior between the players, teams or the parents on the sidelines. Most everyone is respectful of each other, even in lopsided games or “upsets” if such a thing even exists
                    • The nastiness of the posts are beyond crazy and reflect very poorly on whoever the source is
                    • I do not for a minute believe that the people in charge of these clubs are the ones posting this crap
                    • Why do these posters focus purely on extremely negative acts and borderline libel statements?
                    • Why do they not realize that when they post like that they are eliciting responses from paying customers of the targeted club who rightfully get offended since in reality these attacks are indirectly, if not directly, aimed at their kids, not the people running the club?
                    • Why do they care so much? (I do think it is more than one person, no one can keep the pace unless they are truly sitting in their mother’s basement with a compute)
                    • In the end, their behavior hurts the club the support so much. Why can’t they figure that out?

                    At the end of the day, this is girls club soccer. I realize there is quite a bit of money at stake but really, the end goal for the players is to become the best they can be and for the very few, play in college and perhaps get a couple of bucks to do so. When it is all said and done, any player who cannot say that they enjoyed the ride while they were on were failed by the parents for putting them into that position. And a major component of that equation besides the obvious training aspect, is to have them play on teams with players they like and can grow with, not who is running the ship.
                    First off, I take offense to your post. You insinuating that all the hate and vitriol is coming from NEFC. Why?

                    When people post, do they sign as NEFC parents? Do they mention NEFC in any of the post? If the answer is no, then you are purely specualting, or you actually have an axe to grind. hard to tell these days, but I think you spent way too long crafting your post for you to be a concerned parent.

                    You do realize that the two clubs that get bashed the most are Stars, Scorpions and NEFC. You need to go back a number of years and realize that both the ECNL clubs did an equal amount of bashing. When BB and PM came to NEFC the hate that was spewed on here was disgusting. Unlike Perspective, I don't dredge up years old posts, but I would say this to you, keep an open mind and understand that there are indeed NEFC parents who protect the club and may bash away, but I know for a fact, there are parents/coaches from other clubs, or were former parents who despise the two men in charge of the two clubs. Why, I don't know. I don't know either of them, but have certainly heard about them.

                    If you are narrow minded, of course you're going to think it's all NEFC making the posts, but if you are a rational person, you might understand that there far more parents and clubs other than Stars and Scorpions. You don't think that some of these other clubs don't care for the two mentioned?

                    Lastly, NEFC is doing just fine without TS. I would venture that maybe 75 people come onto this forum, which is maybe .1% of the parent population which is hardly going to impact anything in the soccer world. People come on here for information, while others come on for pure entertainment. Take it for what it is, which is trolling and some nasty going back and forth between two individuals.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      It's actually people like you pointing fingers when you are just guessing that causes 99% of what goes on here. What proof do you have of anything other than your personal bias? How can you say it is one club in particular that is causing so much of the negativity when it is just as likely that it is some troll posting inflammatory stuff just to get the different parties to start bickering with each other? Have you ever considered that there are elements here that see a post like this to be inflammatory and begging for a response? Why then be surprised when someone assumes you are a Stars or Scorpions parent and lashes back at them blaming you for all of the hate directed at NEFC? The hate cuts both ways so if you want to stop the bickering why don't you take that finger you are pointing and stick in your eye. That will be far more productive than what you are actually doing.

                      As far as NEFC proponents being here and you objecting to them, perhaps that is a function of their club basically being at the heart of all the recent developments. Let's face it, NEFC is making big news these days in a positive way, that just the reality of the situation. When any club is making news (good or bad) you have to assume that it will be discussed here and that posters are going to have their say both pro and con. Why is it that you object to one side having their say but not the other? That's pretty inflammatory all by itself but then when you add in that the other club in the news lately is there because they really seem to have made a pretty big mistake, the fact that you apparently don't want that discussed paints you as pretty much a flag waver for that specific club. That then really leads many here to see you as one of the "shlt stirrers" you seem to be attacking so perhaps you might to take a good hard look in the mirror because if its OK for you to be a flag waving basher, why shouldn't it be OK for others?
                      You are sickening, and just saw that you felt the need to respond twice, not to mention answering your own posts in every thread. Not doing yourself any favors.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        You are sickening, and just saw that you felt the need to respond twice, not to mention answering your own posts in every thread. Not doing yourself any favors.
                        Shut it. I'll rip your scrotum off and shove it up your nostrils.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          First off, I take offense to your post. You insinuating that all the hate and vitriol is coming from NEFC. Why?

                          When people post, do they sign as NEFC parents? Do they mention NEFC in any of the post? If the answer is no, then you are purely specualting, or you actually have an axe to grind. hard to tell these days, but I think you spent way too long crafting your post for you to be a concerned parent.

                          You do realize that the two clubs that get bashed the most are Stars, Scorpions and NEFC. You need to go back a number of years and realize that both the ECNL clubs did an equal amount of bashing. When BB and PM came to NEFC the hate that was spewed on here was disgusting. Unlike Perspective, I don't dredge up years old posts, but I would say this to you, keep an open mind and understand that there are indeed NEFC parents who protect the club and may bash away, but I know for a fact, there are parents/coaches from other clubs, or were former parents who despise the two men in charge of the two clubs. Why, I don't know. I don't know either of them, but have certainly heard about them.

                          If you are narrow minded, of course you're going to think it's all NEFC making the posts, but if you are a rational person, you might understand that there far more parents and clubs other than Stars and Scorpions. You don't think that some of these other clubs don't care for the two mentioned?

                          Lastly, NEFC is doing just fine without TS. I would venture that maybe 75 people come onto this forum, which is maybe .1% of the parent population which is hardly going to impact anything in the soccer world. People come on here for information, while others come on for pure entertainment. Take it for what it is, which is trolling and some nasty going back and forth between two individuals.
                          You take offense? You clearly cannot read. Anyone with any common sense whatsoever understands what is going on. No one cares about what did or did not happen 5-6 years ago. Get a clue or STFU.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Shut it. I'll rip your scrotum off and shove it up your nostrils.
                            No doubt you enjoy of the taste of them quite well.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Shut it. I'll rip your scrotum off and shove it up your nostrils.
                              This is where IP tracking becomes particularly handy for sites like this. It's called a threat (assault), and if you wouldn't do it in person don't do it online.

                              Forget soccer... if you teach your kids anything, teach them that.

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