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    Ticket turn in.

    So obviously there is a hatred of the Timbers on this blog. It just seems that with the long waiting list for season tickets, if you don't like'em turn your tickets in and let other folks buy them.

    I won't have time to arrange it, but I'm sure some of the more frequent posters could spare a few minutes of their time to make sure tickets get to someone who will appreciate them.
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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    So obviously there is a hatred of the Timbers on this blog. It just seems that with the long waiting list for season tickets, if you don't like'em turn your tickets in and let other folks buy them.

    I won't have time to arrange it, but I'm sure some of the more frequent posters could spare a few minutes of their time to make sure tickets get to someone who will appreciate them.
    and/or hatred of ECNL/OPL No tickets to sell there though.

    It's all just parents trying to make their kids look like the biggest fish in a very little pond, o matter which side they take.

    I don't have ticket to the timebers though.
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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      So obviously there is a hatred of the Timbers on this blog. It just seems that with the long waiting list for season tickets, if you don't like'em turn your tickets in and let other folks buy them.

      I won't have time to arrange it, but I'm sure some of the more frequent posters could spare a few minutes of their time to make sure tickets get to someone who will appreciate them.
      I don't agre with how the Timbers are trying to get involved in Youth sports and they definitely have an agenda that has split the State. However, I am still entertained by going to Jeld Wen and experiencing the pro soccer buzz in Portland.

      I can seperate the 2
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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        I don't agre with how the Timbers are trying to get involved in Youth sports and they definitely have an agenda that has split the State. However, I am still entertained by going to Jeld Wen and experiencing the pro soccer buzz in Portland.

        I can seperate the 2
        Did you complain when OPL split the state 7 years ago?
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          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Did you complain when OPL split the state 7 years ago?
          No, because just about everyone went OPL except some of the independent or smaller clubs.
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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            No, because just about everyone went OPL except some of the independent or smaller clubs.
            Actually that is far from the truth. At the time of the original split the larger Portland metro clubs went, then you had a few teams from many of the other clubs, but the clubs didn't go. It was a couple of years before OPL even allowed valley teams to have home games. In the run of OPL (before the Timbers split) there was only about a year and a half at the end where you can reasonably claim 80% of the teams were playing in OPL. Even then it only happened because Teams were allowed to play OPL league and then do a mini-qualifier to get into the USYS regional stream. You better find a better source for your history then wherever you have been going.
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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Actually that is far from the truth. At the time of the original split the larger Portland metro clubs went, then you had a few teams from many of the other clubs, but the clubs didn't go. It was a couple of years before OPL even allowed valley teams to have home games. In the run of OPL (before the Timbers split) there was only about a year and a half at the end where you can reasonably claim 80% of the teams were playing in OPL. Even then it only happened because Teams were allowed to play OPL league and then do a mini-qualifier to get into the USYS regional stream. You better find a better source for your history then wherever you have been going.
              Yeah, your probably right. I'm only thinking of the last year prior to the new split. I just didn't remember any teams of note in OYSA. I remember A.U. had a super rec boys team and that was about it.
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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                I don't agre with how the Timbers are trying to get involved in Youth sports and they definitely have an agenda that has split the State. However, I am still entertained by going to Jeld Wen and experiencing the pro soccer buzz in Portland.

                I can seperate the 2
                So you don't think FC Dallas or the LA Galaxy or any number of the MLS teams should have clubs associated with them? And those stupid European teams who have academies who focus on identifying and then developing future players for their professional teams. Why can't soccer just follow the model of the NFL and let colleges identify and develop promising players? Everyone else has it wrong, the NFL has it right. /sarcasm off.
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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  So you don't think FC Dallas or the LA Galaxy or any number of the MLS teams should have clubs associated with them? And those stupid European teams who have academies who focus on identifying and then developing future players for their professional teams. Why can't soccer just follow the model of the NFL and let colleges identify and develop promising players? Everyone else has it wrong, the NFL has it right. /sarcasm off.
                  Running European-style (often free) academies is not the same thing as running leagues in a pay-to-play model.

                  Given the very rough year MLS has had with it core product - Arena's criticism, Klinsmann's criticism, the Lampart debacle, the Miami debacle, MP on twitter - the league might be better served focusing instead of trying to monetize every last piece of soccer in the country. It matters because when it comes to things that really drive $$ - TV - they aren't even the #1 soccer league in this country (EPL has them by a long-way, MX might as well).

                  If they are going to try to monetize every last piece of soccer in this country, they might consider treating youth soccer with softer hands - yes there are plenty of egos there and yes there is plenty that needs to change - but when they are (or are perceived as) heavy-handed it risks alienating a % of their core fan base.

                  Does that mean the % of fans who are paying attention to youth soccer are going to turn in their season tickets tomorrow? Probably not, but it does affect incremental spend as well as willingness to advocate for the brand.
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                    Originally posted by Slow Xavi View Post
                    Running European-style (often free) academies is not the same thing as running leagues in a pay-to-play model.

                    Given the very rough year MLS has had with it core product - Arena's criticism, Klinsmann's criticism, the Lampart debacle, the Miami debacle, MP on twitter - the league might be better served focusing instead of trying to monetize every last piece of soccer in the country. It matters because when it comes to things that really drive $$ - TV - they aren't even the #1 soccer league in this country (EPL has them by a long-way, MX might as well).

                    If they are going to try to monetize every last piece of soccer in this country, they might consider treating youth soccer with softer hands - yes there are plenty of egos there and yes there is plenty that needs to change - but when they are (or are perceived as) heavy-handed it risks alienating a % of their core fan base.

                    Does that mean the % of fans who are paying attention to youth soccer are going to turn in their season tickets tomorrow? Probably not, but it does affect incremental spend as well as willingness to advocate for the brand?
                    The Timbers are the only game in town, or remotely close to town, and Portland is way too small to support more than one professional team. You don't have to agree with the club's involvement in youth soccer to support the first team. That's awfully tribal isn't it? Sort of a "you're with us or against us" mentality.

                    It would be one thing if the Timbers ran a full youth academy that participated in leagues versus trying to control and monetize the league itself. That's where they lose people. As things stand now it still looks like the club's involvement in OYSA and the alliance clubs is an effort to subsidize the academies that MLS requires the club to provide at no cost. Even with the academy the club has tried to recover costs from players where the academy turns out to be a poor choice for a particular player.
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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      The Timbers are the only game in town, or remotely close to town, and Portland is way too small to support more than one professional team. You don't have to agree with the club's involvement in youth soccer to support the first team. That's awfully tribal isn't it? Sort of a "you're with us or against us" mentality.
                      Something I would think OrECNL and OPL would be very familiar with...
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                        Originally posted by Slow Xavi View Post
                        Running European-style (often free) academies is not the same thing as running leagues in a pay-to-play model.

                        Given the very rough year MLS has had with it core product - Arena's criticism, Klinsmann's criticism, the Lampart debacle, the Miami debacle, MP on twitter - the league might be better served focusing instead of trying to monetize every last piece of soccer in the country. It matters because when it comes to things that really drive $$ - TV - they aren't even the #1 soccer league in this country (EPL has them by a long-way, MX might as well).

                        If they are going to try to monetize every last piece of soccer in this country, they might consider treating youth soccer with softer hands - yes there are plenty of egos there and yes there is plenty that needs to change - but when they are (or are perceived as) heavy-handed it risks alienating a % of their core fan base.

                        Does that mean the % of fans who are paying attention to youth soccer are going to turn in their season tickets tomorrow? Probably not, but it does affect incremental spend as well as willingness to advocate for the brand.
                        Sorry, but I don't follow your point. MLS clubs should not have anything to do with youth soccer? Or just MLS clubs shouldn't be involved in running leagues? Regardless, I don't think you can justify either point on a blanket basis. Maybe some clubs shouldn't be involved or maybe they should change how they run them. But I don't think you can say none should run leagues or none should have youth clubs. It's logical that they are involved in youth soccer as they stand to benefit. More people playing soccer is a good thing for them in many ways. The NFL was not always this successful, it took time. The same is true for soccer and MLS. Or I should say, the same COULD be true for soccer and the MLS.
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                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Sorry, but I don't follow your point. MLS clubs should not have anything to do with youth soccer? Or just MLS clubs shouldn't be involved in running leagues? Regardless, I don't think you can justify either point on a blanket basis. Maybe some clubs shouldn't be involved or maybe they should change how they run them. But I don't think you can say none should run leagues or none should have youth clubs. It's logical that they are involved in youth soccer as they stand to benefit. More people playing soccer is a good thing for them in many ways. The NFL was not always this successful, it took time. The same is true for soccer and MLS. Or I should say, the same COULD be true for soccer and the MLS.
                          you have like 10 people that are pi$$ed about this and 2 of them post their disgust on this forum
                          bottomline is that the rest of the world does what the Timbers are doing and it seems to be working out just fine so deal with it.
                          I'm sure there are a few Libtard Elitist on other continents that don't like it either and would rather have their child play in a league that is hosted in their culdesac.
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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            you have like 10 people that are pi$$ed about this and 2 of them post their disgust on this forum
                            bottomline is that the rest of the world does what the Timbers are doing and it seems to be working out just fine so deal with it.
                            I'm sure there are a few Libtard Elitist on other continents that don't like it either and would rather have their child play in a league that is hosted in their culdesac.
                            I agree with what you are saying. Except I'm not sure other countries have cul-de-sacs.
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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              you have like 10 people that are pi$$ed about this and 2 of them post their disgust on this forum
                              bottomline is that the rest of the world does what the Timbers are doing and it seems to be working out just fine so deal with it.
                              I'm sure there are a few Libtard Elitist on other continents that don't like it either and would rather have their child play in a league that is hosted in their culdesac.
                              You can't seem to comprehend the difference between running a single club/academy versus an entire league and every single club in that league?? Let the clubs run independently with different styles and philosophies and stick to running one club/academy that looks to consolidate talent and provide a truly professional experience. That's what the world does, not stick a patch on as many kids as they can to collect a few $$s.
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