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**Unregistered** · 12-13-2014, 01:06 PM

Where's Lewis and Clark?

**Unregistered** · 12-15-2014, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

I laugh every time I see a poster dog a D2 or D3 offer. Do they realize that some of the nations top ACADEMIC programs are below D1? Obviously not. When their DD goes in for her first job interview the hiring manager does not ask "Was your college a D1 or D3 program?" No they are going to say "I see that you graduated from one of the nations top programs in XYZ and that you finished in the top 25% of your class" What made you choose that major and that school?" Then she can tell him/her that she always want to go into XYZ and that the school wanted her to play soccer for them and opened the way for academic and or athletic scholarships.

FYI here is the final top 25 for the 2014 women's. You might recognize a few BIG names!
# School (1st Pl. Votes) Record Pts. Prev.
1 *****burg (25) 26-0-2 625 1
2 Williams 21-1-2 594 6
3 Messiah 22-0-3 563 2
4 Johns Hopkins 19-4-2 548 15
5 Illinois Wesleyan 18-7-1 498 25
6 Trinity (Texas) 22-1-1 460 3
7 Thomas More 23-2-0 443 9
8 Carnegie Mellon 16-2-1 438 7
9 TCNJ 17-3-1 427 10
10 Montclair State 19-2-2 407 8
11 Wheaton (Ill.) 18-2-2 327 4
12 Chicago 15-5-1 324 14
13 William Smith 16-3-1 311 5
14 Misericordia 19-3-1 287 16
15 Aurora 19-3-2 272 18
16 Centre 16-6-3 249 �
17 Connecticut College 16-3-1 189 19
18 Washington U. 13-4-2 169 11
19 Nazareth 15-4-4 152 �
20 Lake Forest 21-1-0 135 12
21 Roger Williams 19-3-4 114 �
22 Emory 11-2-6 107 13
23 Hope 17-4-2 83 �
24 Ithaca 15-4-1 82 20
25 Hardin-Simmons 16-3-0 76 17

What?! No M.I.T.? They have a D3 girls / boys soccer programs. If my DK get's in and gets to kick a ball around, so be it. Although nothing wrong with John's Hopkins.

**Unregistered** · 12-15-2014, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

What?! No M.I.T.? They have a D3 girls / boys soccer programs. If my DK get's in and gets to kick a ball around, so be it. Although nothing wrong with John's Hopkins.

But, you can't get athletic money with D3, right?

**Unregistered** · 12-15-2014, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

What?! No M.I.T.? They have a D3 girls / boys soccer programs. If my DK get's in and gets to kick a ball around, so be it. Although nothing wrong with John's Hopkins.

I am so old I can remember when it was named Jim's Hopkins.

**Unregistered** · 12-15-2014, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

But, you can't get athletic money with D3, right?

Honestly the amount of Athletic Money any one kid gets is pretty minor. As has been said on here before you are much better off focusing on Athletic Scholarships. More and more big teams are drawing in international students, they get first pull at any scholarship money.

It would lower everyone involved's stress level if folks would be realistic about "scholarship money"

http://www.socceramerica.com/article...nia-romps.html

**Unregistered** · 12-16-2014, 02:18 PM

No one ever said D3 schools weren't academically excellent. At least some of them are, not all. When people knock D3 they are knocking the level of athlete that goes there. Sure some D1 level athletes go D3, but not many. When you talk about D3 you are talking about an athlete who couldn't make it in D1 or D2.

**Unregistered** · 12-16-2014, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

No one ever said D3 schools weren't academically excellent. At least some of them are, not all. When people knock D3 they are knocking the level of athlete that goes there. Sure some D1 level athletes go D3, but not many. When you talk about D3 you are talking about an athlete who couldn't make it in D1 or D2.

Perhaps, but often enough it's an athlete who "goes D1" and ends up in a worse academic and playing environment because it's D1. The top D1 programs are the best, but there is a huge gap between them and most of the rest. There are D2, D3, NAIA programs that could be sprinkled in the "all the rest."Plus, there is still a lot of focus at D1 on the bigger/faster/stronger side versus the actually being able to play. Frankly it's more the parents that brag about D1 than it is the kids. They mostly want to go to college and play.

**Unregistered** · 12-16-2014, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Perhaps, but often enough it's an athlete who "goes D1" and ends up in a worse academic and playing environment because it's D1. The top D1 programs are the best, but there is a huge gap between them and most of the rest. There are D2, D3, NAIA programs that could be sprinkled in the "all the rest."Plus, there is still a lot of focus at D1 on the bigger/faster/stronger side versus the actually being able to play. Frankly it's more the parents that brag about D1 than it is the kids. They mostly want to go to college and play.

And hopefully more important from the Parents side, Learn.

**Unregistered** · 12-16-2014, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

No one ever said D3 schools weren't academically excellent. At least some of them are, not all. When people knock D3 they are knocking the level of athlete that goes there. Sure some D1 level athletes go D3, but not many. When you talk about D3 you are talking about an athlete who couldn't make it in D1 or D2.

Honestly I have a lot of respect for D3 Athletes, they have to be both scholars and Athletes. That is awesome training for the real world. Look in the headlines...even schools like Chapel Hill are getting called out for having a different academic standard for athletes. Bottom line, college is about getting an education.

**Unregistered** · 12-16-2014, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Perhaps, but often enough it's an athlete who "goes D1" and ends up in a worse academic and playing environment because it's D1. The top D1 programs are the best, but there is a huge gap between them and most of the rest. There are D2, D3, NAIA programs that could be sprinkled in the "all the rest."Plus, there is still a lot of focus at D1 on the bigger/faster/stronger side versus the actually being able to play. Frankly it's more the parents that brag about D1 than it is the kids. They mostly want to go to college and play.

In my experience, you are absolutely wrong. I've had a number of kids tell me how proud they were to have played D1, in what ever sport they chose. They were quite proud of that accomplishment, especially if they combined it by going to a good academic school.

**Unregistered** · 12-16-2014, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Honestly I have a lot of respect for D3 Athletes, they have to be both scholars and Athletes. That is awesome training for the real world. Look in the headlines...even schools like Chapel Hill are getting called out for having a different academic standard for athletes. Bottom line, college is about getting an education.

Sorry, but some kids want to challenge themselves athletically as much as they do academically. Kids that want to go to a D3 school because they can play right away aren't challenging themselves. Or they need to accept the fact that they couldn't get an offer from a school that expects stronger athletes. If some kid wants to go to D3 but could have gone D1, and they do it because of the academics, then that's great. However, that's a kid that is playing soccer to go to school, not playing soccer for the competitiveness.

**Unregistered** · 12-16-2014, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Sorry, but some kids want to challenge themselves athletically as much as they do academically. Kids that want to go to a D3 school because they can play right away aren't challenging themselves. Or they need to accept the fact that they couldn't get an offer from a school that expects stronger athletes. If some kid wants to go to D3 but could have gone D1, and they do it because of the academics, then that's great. However, that's a kid that is playing soccer to go to school, not playing soccer for the competitiveness.

You're proving my point. Going to a middling or worse D1 program isn't challenging yourself anymore than going to a really good D3 program and contributing. You're hanging up on the assumption that D1 is necessary better or necessarily more challenging. It might be, but isn't necessarily. It is cooler to say D1 though isn't it? That's my point.

With respect to the other post, any athlete who plays in college should be proud of the accomplishment. It's a big deal in any sport. My point is their peers seem more likely to be happy that someone is pursuing something that they really want to pursue and less hung up on what division it is. It's when a player goes somewhere big -- Stanford, UCLA, NC etc. that the school/division takes on greater importance.

In my view, kids that go where they can play right away have perspective and are making a wise choice. I've seen too many of those kids that take your challenge hanging on for a year or two and then dropping the program when they don't get to play. Apparently they weren't up for the challenge.

From what I've observed, players who don't play as freshmen generally don't play much as sophomores or juniors either. There are exceptions; but they're usually obvious and they usually red shirt because there's someone in the same position who will be gone the next year.

**Unregistered** · 12-16-2014, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

You're proving my point. Going to a middling or worse D1 program isn't challenging yourself anymore than going to a really good D3 program and contributing. You're hanging up on the assumption that D1 is necessary better or necessarily more challenging. It might be, but isn't necessarily. It is cooler to say D1 though isn't it? That's my point.

With respect to the other post, any athlete who plays in college should be proud of the accomplishment. It's a big deal in any sport. My point is their peers seem more likely to be happy that someone is pursuing something that they really want to pursue and less hung up on what division it is. It's when a player goes somewhere big -- Stanford, UCLA, NC etc. that the school/division takes on greater importance.

In my view, kids that go where they can play right away have perspective and are making a wise choice. I've seen too many of those kids that take your challenge hanging on for a year or two and then dropping the program when they don't get to play. Apparently they weren't up for the challenge.

From what I've observed, players who don't play as freshmen generally don't play much as sophomores or juniors either. There are exceptions; but they're usually obvious and they usually red shirt because there's someone in the same position who will be gone the next year.

Kids who challenge themselves don't go to bottom D1 programs, much less D3. Sorry your dd couldn't make it.

**Unregistered** · 12-17-2014, 12:42 AM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

No one ever said D3 schools weren't academically excellent. At least some of them are, not all. When people knock D3 they are knocking the level of athlete that goes there. Sure some D1 level athletes go D3, but not many. When you talk about D3 you are talking about an athlete who couldn't make it in D1 or D2.

You just don't get it do you? I'll take an education from a top flight ACADEMIC program than one from 80% of D1 programs.

And yes they have ways to get you scholarship money!

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