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    CDL vs USA League

    I have gotten a chance to watch numerous games in both leagues this year, is there really a difference between the two leagues? If so, I don't see it, the teams are basically equal, none of them are above average that I have watched in either league.

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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    I have gotten a chance to watch numerous games in both leagues this year, is there really a difference between the two leagues? If so, I don't see it, the teams are basically equal, none of them are above average that I have watched in either league.
    USA was run by volunteers and DOCs wanted to make more money. So they made CDL to give Tampa 2 watered down leagues. Obviously combining them would be best for the kids since then the best teams would always be in D1 instead of some CDL teams/ages being crap and USA D1 only having some of the best teams instead of all of them.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      I have gotten a chance to watch numerous games in both leagues this year, is there really a difference between the two leagues? If so, I don't see it, the teams are basically equal, none of them are above average that I have watched in either league.
      There used to be a big difference with CDL being superior. Now, CDL clubs are the same clubs that participate in Academy, ECNL, and NPL. Those leagues have greatly watered down the quality of players placed into CDL. In many cases, CDL is now getting second teams. In other cases, CDL gets no teams from clubs because those teams have opted to play R3PL, FSPL, NPL, etc.

      At this point, I would say CDL and USA Division 1 is comparable quality with a slight edge to CDL because CDL clubs try to play team soccer versus the direct play found with many USA clubs. The CDL scheduling and substitution rules do a better job preparing you for State Cup. In addition, having all games at one site is desirable for DOCs to be able to observe more teams play on a weekend to solidify training plans.

      This is coming from a coach who opted our team out of CDL this year to play FSPL and NPL.

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        #4
        No difference, especially beyond U13.

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          #5
          Wow, this again. A USA parent once again trying to justify why their team and league just continue to suck. If you want better competition you will need to move to a CDL club. It is not going to work just to keep saying that your league is just as good. You must be crazy to think that USA is even close to CDL. Just look at your rankings from top to bottom of the clubs and compare. USA Division one is the equivalent of CDL B divisions. There is not one team in your 1st division USA senior teams that would win the CDL A leagues. Face it, losers.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Wow, this again. A USA parent once again trying to justify why their team and league just continue to suck. If you want better competition you will need to move to a CDL club. It is not going to work just to keep saying that your league is just as good. You must be crazy to think that USA is even close to CDL. Just look at your rankings from top to bottom of the clubs and compare. USA Division one is the equivalent of CDL B divisions. There is not one team in your 1st division USA senior teams that would win the CDL A leagues. Face it, losers.
            I think you stink personally as you can't seem to come on here without name calling, really how old are you? I do agree that CDL gets your team/club ahead of USA, for the reasons stated in the posts above. the mentality of the coaching in USA clubs is that you can beat anyone playing your style of play, then you go to state cup and realize there is a whole other level of soccer being played and your team does not resemble it. in CDL you do see that other level, and it is seen as growth (goals) the team and players need to work toward. in USA you think you are already there and refuse to change what you are doing. huge differences between the two.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Wow, this again. A USA parent once again trying to justify why their team and league just continue to suck. If you want better competition you will need to move to a CDL club. It is not going to work just to keep saying that your league is just as good. You must be crazy to think that USA is even close to CDL. Just look at your rankings from top to bottom of the clubs and compare. USA Division one is the equivalent of CDL B divisions. There is not one team in your 1st division USA senior teams that would win the CDL A leagues. Face it, losers.
              And here's the CDL Kool-aid drinkers, trying to justify their position. Whatever floats your boat. I am in a position to see both leagues on a regular basis, and I will tell you that CDL and USA D1 are the same. In fact, some USA D1 teams play in CDL when some of the 'chosen few' refuse to play a team. CDL tries to cover this up by making the USA guest team wear the uniform of the CDL club. Pathetic. So take your holier-than-thou attitude and get on outta here!

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Wow, this again. A USA parent once again trying to justify why their team and league just continue to suck. If you want better competition you will need to move to a CDL club. It is not going to work just to keep saying that your league is just as good. You must be crazy to think that USA is even close to CDL. Just look at your rankings from top to bottom of the clubs and compare. USA Division one is the equivalent of CDL B divisions. There is not one team in your 1st division USA senior teams that would win the CDL A leagues. Face it, losers.
                The original post didn't seem like that at all -- it's more like the CDL (you) trying to convince everyone they have something different. While the Div 3 teams in USA may not be as strong as the CDL teams, there's not much difference in Div 1/2. Our club doens't play in either - but we have played against each league and there simply isn't a big difference.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  And here's the CDL Kool-aid drinkers, trying to justify their position. Whatever floats your boat. I am in a position to see both leagues on a regular basis, and I will tell you that CDL and USA D1 are the same. In fact, some USA D1 teams play in CDL when some of the 'chosen few' refuse to play a team. CDL tries to cover this up by making the USA guest team wear the uniform of the CDL club. Pathetic. So take your holier-than-thou attitude and get on outta here!
                  "CDL tries to cover this up by making the USA guest team wear the uniform of the CDL club."

                  Simply not true, we see the U16G celtic who play under the Clearwater Chargers CDL tag and we still see the horrible green stripes (and that's the home jersey, their away jersey is even worse) and not the iconic Ronald McDonald gold of Clearwater.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    "CDL tries to cover this up by making the USA guest team wear the uniform of the CDL club."

                    Simply not true, we see the U16G celtic who play under the Clearwater Chargers CDL tag and we still see the horrible green stripes (and that's the home jersey, their away jersey is even worse) and not the iconic Ronald McDonald gold of Clearwater.
                    I have seen it many times...may not be an absolute rule, but it does happen. But thank you for confirming the point that CDL allows USA teams to play in their league.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Wow, this again. A USA parent once again trying to justify why their team and league just continue to suck. If you want better competition you will need to move to a CDL club. It is not going to work just to keep saying that your league is just as good. You must be crazy to think that USA is even close to CDL. Just look at your rankings from top to bottom of the clubs and compare. USA Division one is the equivalent of CDL B divisions. There is not one team in your 1st division USA senior teams that would win the CDL A leagues. Face it, losers.
                      CDL has some good teams in it but there are some crappy teams in it as well. And even the supposedly good teams are not so good. For example, Chargers, TBU and Lakeland U17 girls all play CDL. The Chargers are terrible and TBU and Lakeland went 0-3 in the recent ACDC tournament. The point is, CDL is no longer all that it is cracked up to be. Clubs are not putting their number 1 teams in the league but rather their 2nd or 3rd teams in so it's watered down and no better than any other league. FYSA needs to consolidate the leagues in the state and regulate teams up or down. The best teams play in FSPL then D1, D2, etc. The first year you use the round of 16 in SC and after that then the winners of D1 move up and the bottom 4 teams drop down to D1. Elite teams such as Braden River and TBU's first team play FSPL and whatever regional league they get accepted to. If teams want to play in FSL then good. NPL is another joke that needs to be fixed. There are some bad teams in there as well.

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                        #12
                        CDL is pretty weak at the U-17/U-18 Boys age groups this year.

                        Surprisingly, there are 2 teams playing in both CDL and USA this year. Here are the side-by-side comparisons of teams playing in both leagues:

                        U-15 Girls
                        Houston Dynamo
                        CDL 1 win, 2 ties, 2 losses 6 GF, 10 GA
                        USA D1 6 wins, 1 tie, 1 loss 28 GF, 8 GA

                        U-17 Boys
                        Northport
                        CDL 4 wins, 1 tie, 0 losses 24 GF, 5 GA (Has yet to play top team in league, Is 2nd based on points per game)
                        USA D1, 7 wins, 0 tie, 1 loss 30 GF, 7 GA (Is top team in league based on points per game)

                        So, in the case of U-15 girls, I would say CDL is superior. In the case of U-17 Boys, I would say the brackets are comparable; however, CDL has a couple teams (Strictly, Clearwater) that will do better in State Cup than USA (Temple Terrace).

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          I have seen it many times...may not be an absolute rule, but it does happen. But thank you for confirming the point that CDL allows USA teams to play in their league.
                          the U16G celtic team does not play in the USA league.

                          They did last season, but PW is trying to get, at least his team, out of the USA league.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            CDL has some good teams in it but there are some crappy teams in it as well. And even the supposedly good teams are not so good. For example, Chargers, TBU and Lakeland U17 girls all play CDL. The Chargers are terrible and TBU and Lakeland went 0-3 in the recent ACDC tournament. The point is, CDL is no longer all that it is cracked up to be. Clubs are not putting their number 1 teams in the league but rather their 2nd or 3rd teams in so it's watered down and no better than any other league. FYSA needs to consolidate the leagues in the state and regulate teams up or down. The best teams play in FSPL then D1, D2, etc. The first year you use the round of 16 in SC and after that then the winners of D1 move up and the bottom 4 teams drop down to D1. Elite teams such as Braden River and TBU's first team play FSPL and whatever regional league they get accepted to. If teams want to play in FSL then good. NPL is another joke that needs to be fixed. There are some bad teams in there as well.

                            What's your beef with the NPL? what I think is a joke is that FYSA allows their leagues to dole out their season points in September! doesn't hurt their ranking at all to garner 2, 3, 4K points at the time in the season when their standing is critical to team placement at showcases.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              What's your beef with the NPL? what I think is a joke is that FYSA allows their leagues to dole out their season points in September! doesn't hurt their ranking at all to garner 2, 3, 4K points at the time in the season when their standing is critical to team placement at showcases.
                              You must admit there are some not so good teams in NPL. I am all for FSPL, NPL, CDL but when teams that shouldn't be there are allowed to play it hurts the league and image as a premier league. Look at USA D1... Though it wasn't the greatest at least you had teams of relative close competition levels. Not so much anymore and same goes for CDL, NPL and to a lesser extent FSPL when FYSA changed the rules that teams other than round of 16 teams can join. This was partly done because many of the top teams were opting out to play R3PL instead. So CDL and NPL have become a joke. There are the few teams at the top and then everyone else. It's disappointing.

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