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    USF Camp Disappointing

    A lot of the colleges they had advertised did not attend.

    #2
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    A lot of the colleges they had advertised did not attend.
    Part of the problem is with your expectations. These camps are money makers for the school. They lure you in with exposure to college coaches. Fact is very few - and I mean very few - players are found or even looked at in these camps seriously. Coaches want to see the players at high level competitions against high level players that a camp doesn't provide.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      A lot of the colleges they had advertised did not attend.
      Can you request a refund due to false advertising?

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Part of the problem is with your expectations. These camps are money makers for the school. They lure you in with exposure to college coaches. Fact is very few - and I mean very few - players are found or even looked at in these camps seriously. Coaches want to see the players at high level competitions against high level players that a camp doesn't provide.
        Is this the case for all camps or just the large ones with multiple coaches? What if you go to a camp hosted by a single school?

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Is this the case for all camps or just the large ones with multiple coaches? What if you go to a camp hosted by a single school?


          In my experience, the answer is .............. it depends. They will all vary based on the coach's philosphy for one thing. But I would also keep in mind the recruiting process from the family's point of view has to be muli-pronged. A camp can be a part of that process but I wouldn't rely on it on it's own. What I have seen, even at the smaller schools is the coach didnt seem to really be in heavy recruiting mode. They seemed to spend their time with the kids he had invited to the camp, maybe he had been actively recruiting them or something. Either way, I didnt see much of an evaluation process going on. My did said most of the other players were complaining the whole time too.

          I would choose a camp based on exposure to college level coaches and training, to spend some time on a campus you may have interest in, or just the experience itself. As a stand alone recruiting device, not so much.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Part of the problem is with your expectations. These camps are money makers for the school. They lure you in with exposure to college coaches. Fact is very few - and I mean very few - players are found or even looked at in these camps seriously. Coaches want to see the players at high level competitions against high level players that a camp doesn't provide.
            Probably a true statement, but what other option do you have, especially if not in a DA. Yes, you will have coaches come by and watch during Disney Showcase, but you are certainly taking a gamble if you make that your sole opportunity. What if you are injured or sick that weekend? What if you don't touch the ball or play well for the 5 minutes they come by?

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              #7
              Our camp experiences. When you get a camp invite from a school that is on your kid's list reply to the COACH (not the email address that sent the mass invite). Have your kid send their profile with that email. A few days later have your kid call the coach, tell them you are considering the camp and you want to know if you are on their list and if they have seen you play. If they have tell them you are attending the camp etc and that you want to meet with them to answer some questions, get to know them etc. Send another email a few days before the camp with your profile again, reminding them you are attending. These actions seem to result in getting into the better training groups (the verbally committed recruits and kids they are interested in). After the camp send another email thanking them (if your kid enjoyed the camp, coaches) send that profile with it, include your club and high school coach POCs encourage them to call your kid's coaches. Tell them you will call them in a few days. Follow up with a call, you will know if they are interested at that point, you will also have some indications of interest if they call the coaches. Encourage your kid to ask difficult questions, questions they might not like the answer to. Am I on your list? Can I have your cell phone #? How do you see me fitting into your recruiting class? What's our next step in this process?

              We found the clinics cost less and are better for getting on their radar as there are less kids. But follow the same emailing/calling procedures.

              Attending camps where you have not done the work in advance is pure luck. You have to be a VERY VERY VERY good player to get noticed out of 400-500 girls especially at a UVA or UNC level camp.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Probably a true statement, but what other option do you have, especially if not in a DA. Yes, you will have coaches come by and watch during Disney Showcase, but you are certainly taking a gamble if you make that your sole opportunity. What if you are injured or sick that weekend? What if you don't touch the ball or play well for the 5 minutes they come by?
                Going to the right camp is important. Colleges have many camps over the summer and also ID camps throughout the year. I would never go to a college camp as a senior player unless you had already made a visit to the school and met the coaches. If they are serious about you they will tell you what they want you to do, whether it be come to a specific camp, or come watch you play specific games. To just show up at a camp uninvited at this stage is a total waste of money.

                There are some coaches that will not choose a player unless they have been to their camp so they can evaluate them so listen carefully when you are being asked to come to a camp.

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                  #9
                  From my experience, if your son is not on a DA team, he will have to aggressively sell himself to the coaches and programs he wants. He was recently told at a camp that it was fine to attend the camp, but they also wanted to highlight reel, package put together of him playing throughout the season of various games and situations.

                  I suggest your son put together a professionally done highlight reel and send it to the schools he is interested in. Then attend those schools summer camps after letting them know they are coming and interested in going there. Also, send those coaches a copy of their schedules for large showcase events and ask them to come watch them play. The coach also said that unless a kid has a high GPA ( all A's and just a few B's) it is much harder for him to accept the kid to play soccer for this certain college. My son came away with the idea that to play soccer in college, he will have to have really good grades all throughout highschool.

                  If you are on a DA team, it may be a little easier, but still think kids have to learn to sell themselves if they want a college offer.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Is this the case for all camps or just the large ones with multiple coaches? What if you go to a camp hosted by a single school?
                    it does depend on the school. we attended the oasis clinic last year at Flagler. Was run fine, by their own staff, but in the end seemed like another money maker. we've attended FGCU clinic and again run solely by their staff but it seemed so much more sincere about looking at kids. totally different experiences. also attended exact soccer clinic, multiple colleges were in attendance and the coaches were entirely hands on with the kids. probably no more than 15-16 kids per coach and they rotated the kids through all the coaches. it was a long day but a good clinic and pretty honest. UF was there and they told the kids upfront they were basically done with 2016 and moving on to 2017s. (gender - girls). Have wanted to attend the USF camp but it is so costly we've just done other stuff. Still believe tournament exposure and other events hosted by our club are more helpful.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      it does depend on the school. we attended the oasis clinic last year at Flagler. Was run fine, by their own staff, but in the end seemed like another money maker. we've attended FGCU clinic and again run solely by their staff but it seemed so much more sincere about looking at kids. totally different experiences. also attended exact soccer clinic, multiple colleges were in attendance and the coaches were entirely hands on with the kids. probably no more than 15-16 kids per coach and they rotated the kids through all the coaches. it was a long day but a good clinic and pretty honest. UF was there and they told the kids upfront they were basically done with 2016 and moving on to 2017s. (gender - girls). Have wanted to attend the USF camp but it is so costly we've just done other stuff. Still believe tournament exposure and other events hosted by our club are more helpful.
                      forgot she attended another clinic at Stetson, another very good clinic, run by own staff, and an offer was extended following that clinic (not sure why I forgot but she took another offer shortly after that one - that other offer came at a texas tournament).

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Part of the problem is with your expectations. These camps are money makers for the school. They lure you in with exposure to college coaches. Fact is very few - and I mean very few - players are found or even looked at in these camps seriously. Coaches want to see the players at high level competitions against high level players that a camp doesn't provide.
                        Compared to other ID camps coaching seemed a little weak on girls side. They did rotate but they seemed bored and put out with very little organization. Basically the kids were running the show and that's not professional and the most casual camp atmosphere she's attended. The boys camp was going on at same time and seemed like the attention was on them and they were on the nice stadium and girls on some back lot. Not a great message to the girls even though I know boys soccer is #1. Didn't care for a few of the coaches either since they did not have very much experience like in other camps. FYI for parents I will send my son next year but my daughter will go somewhere else for sure.

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                          #13
                          I agree with the poster who said it has to do with expectations. The camps are money makers. They use the money to fund flying out to events to see the players on their short list.

                          Most of the big schools are not scouting at these camps. And the ones where they say other colleges will be there are the worst. They use that time to network with the other college coaches.

                          Unless the coach has personally reached out to you then I wouldn't have any expectation of being recruited at a camp. And when I say personal I mean more than an email with your name in it. That is computer generated and just means you got on a mailing list. The recruiting process is harsh and you don't want it to be harsher by spending tons of money only to feel it was wasted.

                          Good luck and keep it real.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            I agree with the poster who said it has to do with expectations. The camps are money makers. They use the money to fund flying out to events to see the players on their short list.

                            Most of the big schools are not scouting at these camps. And the ones where they say other colleges will be there are the worst. They use that time to network with the other college coaches.

                            Unless the coach has personally reached out to you then I wouldn't have any expectation of being recruited at a camp. And when I say personal I mean more than an email with your name in it. That is computer generated and just means you got on a mailing list. The recruiting process is harsh and you don't want it to be harsher by spending tons of money only to feel it was wasted.

                            Good luck and keep it real.
                            ouch. someone got burned. listen, first, know the school hosting and/or the colleges staffing the clinic you are going to, and be there because those school fits (to whatever degree) into your plans. when these kids, and i mean the ones with talent, continue to cross the paths of these coaches, it does result in recruitment.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              ouch. someone got burned. listen, first, know the school hosting and/or the colleges staffing the clinic you are going to, and be there because those school fits (to whatever degree) into your plans. when these kids, and i mean the ones with talent, continue to cross the paths of these coaches, it does result in recruitment.
                              Wrong. We didn't get burned. We didn't waste our money on camps. But many on our team did and I was a sounding board for some of these parents. All of these kids shy of one committed but not one of them were asked to commit where they attended a camp. Most came back from a camp with story after story, yet they couldn't resist paying to go to another. Time and time again they were disappointed.

                              Posts like yours are nothing but rude. Someone offers their advice and you take a jab af them. Maybe you should learn to give your opinion without making misguided assumptions about someone else's.

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