Thoughts on Titan FC playing in DPL the coming season

[Guest]

Imagine if there was only one league in the whole state and every club team could play in it and the league would have promotion/relegation so teams, then no one would need their separate elite league to feel special….”imagine all the people…”

[Guest]

Imagine if there was only one league in the whole state and every club team could play in it and the league would have promotion/relegation so teams, then no one would need their separate elite league to feel special….”imagine all the people…”

Wrong, it existed, including promotion and relegation. It was called WYS/RCL.

i laugh so hard at all the idiots that come on here and talk about how we need promotion and relegation and one league. I played in the "one league". There was rec and select soccer. Thats it, all run by WYS.

[Guest]

Imagine if there was only one league in the whole state and every club team could play in it and the league would have promotion/relegation so teams, then no one would need their separate elite league to feel special….”imagine all the people…”

In 17 years, we went from one top level "premier" league which everyone agreed was the top league, with promotion and relegation, run by WYS, where only five or six of the biggest clubs had paid coaches, to the confused mess we have today. What got us here? Money and adult egos. Is it possible to go back? No. Why? Money and adult egos.

[Guest]

When you understand the difference between “National Associations” and State Associations, you’ll understand how we got here. https://www.ussoccer.com/organizatio...l-associations

National associations are really insurance companies. At one time, these insurance companies sold player cards to players in Leagues run by state associations. That was a considerable amount of premium revenue for these insurance companies, considering that hardly anyone made any claims against the insurance policies which are secondary. To maximize revenue, these insurance companies began with State Associations by creating elite leagues like ECNL, EA, Elite 64, National League, GA, DPL, etc. These leagues pull players from State Association-run leagues and create the elite/non-elite race with exclusivity. Not all clubs are permitted to join. Here in Washington, to maintain exclusivity and elitism below the Leagues run by the insurance companies, certain big clubs clubs took over RCL so that WYS no longer operates the RCL. It is a club operated league.

We are now at the point where Washington Youth Soccer (WYS) no longer operates competitive leagues in this state. The Washington Premier League (WPL) operates a competitive league sanctioned by one of the insurance companies, US Club Soccer, and is not operated by clubs the way RCL is. There is no crossover or connection between WPL and RCL. Instead, they compete with each other in the marketplace and trash talk each other to claim more prestige over the other. On this board, we see how this trash talking mentality filters down to parents who act as trash, talking surrogates for each league.

The role of WYS in this new reality is very much in question. And WPL, although it is not a state association, operates a competitive league for the benefit of members. The national associations/insurance companies control the top level leagues, earning not only revenue from player cards (and massive insurance, premium revenue), but also from league fees and tournament fees. This siphons revenue away from state associations like WYS. then, the insurance companies go deeper and create new leagues to feed into the elite leagues like ECNL-R. This means there is even less money at the state level to grow the sport of soccer within Washington’s borders.

So WPL and RCL bash each other over which is more elite. WPL parents and RCL parents bash each other who is more elite. ECNL, EA, Elite 64, DPL, and GA parents bash each other over who is more elite. Meanwhile, the insurance companies put the money in the bank and youth soccer in Washington is in shambles.

So yes, it is about money and ego, but we have only ourselves to blame. Insurance companies created elite leagues to feed parental egos. Big youth clubs in Washington realize they can sell the elite leagues to ego driven, elite-focused parents. The insurance companies provide the elite leagues , the big clubs sell the elite leagues, the parents buy the elite leagues, and youth soccer in Washington state suffers. As you bang away on your keyboard about how great ECNL is, how it’s better than EA, or how GA is better than DPL, how good/bad WPL and RCL are, maybe take a minute to consider how much of a pawn of the insurance companies you’ve become. What responsibility do you bear by constantly chasing elite leagues? What responsibility do club leaders have shamelessly selling you the elite leagues? How about club leaders like James Riley who sell out and destroy youth clubs like Bellevue Rush just to get access to an insurance company-created elite league to sell to parents?

[Guest]

When you understand the difference between “National Associations” and State Associations, you’ll understand how we got here. https://www.ussoccer.com/organizatio...l-associations

National associations are really insurance companies. At one time, these insurance companies sold player cards to players in Leagues run by state associations. That was a considerable amount of premium revenue for these insurance companies, considering that hardly anyone made any claims against the insurance policies which are secondary. To maximize revenue, these insurance companies began with State Associations by creating elite leagues like ECNL, EA, Elite 64, National League, GA, DPL, etc. These leagues pull players from State Association-run leagues and create the elite/non-elite race with exclusivity. Not all clubs are permitted to join. Here in Washington, to maintain exclusivity and elitism below the Leagues run by the insurance companies, certain big clubs clubs took over RCL so that WYS no longer operates the RCL. It is a club operated league.

We are now at the point where Washington Youth Soccer (WYS) no longer operates competitive leagues in this state. The Washington Premier League (WPL) operates a competitive league sanctioned by one of the insurance companies, US Club Soccer, and is not operated by clubs the way RCL is. There is no crossover or connection between WPL and RCL. Instead, they compete with each other in the marketplace and trash talk each other to claim more prestige over the other. On this board, we see how this trash talking mentality filters down to parents who act as trash, talking surrogates for each league.

The role of WYS in this new reality is very much in question. And WPL, although it is not a state association, operates a competitive league for the benefit of members. The national associations/insurance companies control the top level leagues, earning not only revenue from player cards (and massive insurance, premium revenue), but also from league fees and tournament fees. This siphons revenue away from state associations like WYS. then, the insurance companies go deeper and create new leagues to feed into the elite leagues like ECNL-R. This means there is even less money at the state level to grow the sport of soccer within Washington’s borders.

So WPL and RCL bash each other over which is more elite. WPL parents and RCL parents bash each other who is more elite. ECNL, EA, Elite 64, DPL, and GA parents bash each other over who is more elite. Meanwhile, the insurance companies put the money in the bank and youth soccer in Washington is in shambles.

So yes, it is about money and ego, but we have only ourselves to blame. Insurance companies created elite leagues to feed parental egos. Big youth clubs in Washington realize they can sell the elite leagues to ego driven, elite-focused parents. The insurance companies provide the elite leagues , the big clubs sell the elite leagues, the parents buy the elite leagues, and youth soccer in Washington state suffers. As you bang away on your keyboard about how great ECNL is, how it’s better than EA, or how GA is better than DPL, how good/bad WPL and RCL are, maybe take a minute to consider how much of a pawn of the insurance companies you’ve become. What responsibility do you bear by constantly chasing elite leagues? What responsibility do club leaders have shamelessly selling you the elite leagues? How about club leaders like James Riley who sell out and destroy youth clubs like Bellevue Rush just to get access to an insurance company-created elite league to sell to parents?

Thank you attorney Joe Campos

[Guest]

This characterization of the Organization Members of the USSF as being nothing more than insurance companies is popular among entrepreneurs who created clubs, need to be part of the Organization Member for access to the leagues, but don't care for the other services or regulation that the Organization Members provide .... let me run my club and otherwise just leave me alone. True that the USSF requires that the Organization Members provide insurance on behalf of their associations, clubs, and members. But it's a huge leap to the characterization that insurance agents, policy writers, and underwriters created the leagues.

[Guest]

Thank you attorney Joe Campos

This could have easily been posted by Roger Levesque or any past President of WYS. They have this view. WYS is broke.

[Guest]

This characterization of the Organization Members of the USSF as being nothing more than insurance companies is popular among entrepreneurs who created clubs, need to be part of the Organization Member for access to the leagues, but don't care for the other services or regulation that the Organization Members provide .... let me run my club and otherwise just leave me alone. True that the USSF requires that the Organization Members provide insurance on behalf of their associations, clubs, and members. But it's a huge leap to the characterization that insurance agents, policy writers, and underwriters created the leagues.

Agree stupid rhetoric. When someone explains that it was one league with relegation and it didnt work because the likes of eagleclaw, gunners, titans and others need their own league, then they find some other half wit argument.

To be specific, the cost of insurance for an individual club is prohibitively high and can fluctuate significantly from year to year. The large leagues have superior buying power and size that reduces the individual cost and evens out the fluctuations.

Go start a soccer club and see how much the insurance costs on its own.

Most clubs would buy the wrong products and be severely underinsured and would go out of business after the first lawsuit.

[Guest]

This characterization of the Organization Members of the USSF as being nothing more than insurance companies is popular among entrepreneurs who created clubs, need to be part of the Organization Member for access to the leagues, but don't care for the other services or regulation that the Organization Members provide .... let me run my club and otherwise just leave me alone. True that the USSF requires that the Organization Members provide insurance on behalf of their associations, clubs, and members. But it's a huge leap to the characterization that insurance agents, policy writers, and underwriters created the leagues.

The insurance with player cards is very limited. Cant insure a club with that insurance. It only covers stuff that happens in a game.

https://usclubsoccer.org/insurance/

[Guest]

This characterization of the Organization Members of the USSF as being nothing more than insurance companies is popular among entrepreneurs who created clubs, need to be part of the Organization Member for access to the leagues, but don't care for the other services or regulation that the Organization Members provide .... let me run my club and otherwise just leave me alone. True that the USSF requires that the Organization Members provide insurance on behalf of their associations, clubs, and members. But it's a huge leap to the characterization that insurance agents, policy writers, and underwriters created the leagues.

Where’s the leap? Who created ECNL? And what is an Organization Member?

[Guest]

This characterization of the Organization Members of the USSF as being nothing more than insurance companies is popular among entrepreneurs who created clubs, need to be part of the Organization Member for access to the leagues, but don't care for the other services or regulation that the Organization Members provide .... let me run my club and otherwise just leave me alone. True that the USSF requires that the Organization Members provide insurance on behalf of their associations, clubs, and members. But it's a huge leap to the characterization that insurance agents, policy writers, and underwriters created the leagues.

Titans are members of US Club. Who decides whether Titans gets into ECNL or not?

[Guest]

The insurance with player cards is very limited. Cant insure a club with that insurance. It only covers stuff that happens in a game.

https://usclubsoccer.org/insurance/

Does anyone reading this have any experience making a secondary claim against US Club or USYS insurance? How did it go? What is the process to make a claim?
(that's the only way to really judge and insurance company, to get reviews and accounts of the claims process and payouts)