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    #16
    Coaching is more like 70% there is a reason NFL coaches get canned quickly

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      #17
      Coaching is more like 70% there is a reason NFL coaches get canned quickly...

      25%vision
      5%athletic

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        #18
        Originally posted by Guest View Post
        Coaching is more like 70% there is a reason NFL coaches get canned quickly...

        25%vision
        5%athletic
        Coaching has zero to do with an individuals ceiling.

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          #19
          SPEAKING OF BARCA. Spanish journalist Marti Perarnau, author of “Senda de Campeones” (Path of Champions), also offers insight into Barca’s youth program, La Masia. Perarnau was interviewed at “Blueprint for Football.”

          Asked what qualities Barcelona looks for in young recruits, Perarnau said: “Technique, tactical intelligence and mental speed. These three traits are the ones that matter. Players with very good technique, who are able to understand the game (not just play, but also understand it) and speed of mind.”

          On whether physical strength and height are given much importance: “None. Barca does not care about the size of the player. The three parameters I mentioned are the only ones that matter. Not even if you stand out during a tournament. Indeed, Barcelona often signs kids that have gone unnoticed in a tournament, but have those three potential features.”

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            #20
            Originally posted by Guest View Post
            SPEAKING OF BARCA. Spanish journalist Marti Perarnau, author of “Senda de Campeones” (Path of Champions), also offers insight into Barca’s youth program, La Masia. Perarnau was interviewed at “Blueprint for Football.”

            Asked what qualities Barcelona looks for in young recruits, Perarnau said: “Technique, tactical intelligence and mental speed. These three traits are the ones that matter. Players with very good technique, who are able to understand the game (not just play, but also understand it) and speed of mind.”

            On whether physical strength and height are given much importance: “None. Barca does not care about the size of the player. The three parameters I mentioned are the only ones that matter. Not even if you stand out during a tournament. Indeed, Barcelona often signs kids that have gone unnoticed in a tournament, but have those three potential features.”
            American men's soccer is all about athletics...I would say Barca is better than the american men's soccer.

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              #21
              Our best athletes don’t play soccer. Once the people that run the usmnt soccer world realize that we are American and start running the program like American for Americans,you will start to see our better athletes in the sport.
              This is not a political statement. Support our kids to be able to play multi sports and see what happens.

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                #22
                80% desire to master the ball - see technical ability
                15% Mental ability - speed of thought, comprehension of space/time, decision making under pressure - this also lends itself to the willingness to do what is needed to maintain physical fitness needed for the functional execution
                3% Athleticism - physical speed, size - genetics - all of which can be made up for by thinking faster and having superior technical ability
                2% Fit within a team's system/style of play/positioning - Genetics has some influence on where you may fit (not a lot of 5'6" male centrebacks as as example)
                <1% - Coaching - you can be a poor coach and if the above are on your team, you'll probably win games, but I've never seen a "great coach/trainer" be more important than the individual player's desire to master the ball and excel mentally

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                  #23
                  Speed kills. You must be an international. Welcome.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Guest View Post
                    Speed kills. You must be an international. Welcome.
                    Speed is important (and outright slowness is a difficult weakness to overcome) but if a player is at certain level of acceptable speed, the returns are diminishing. I’ve seen plenty of very fast kids that can beat others down the field but then can’t control the ball or get a decent pass or shot off.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Guest View Post

                      What do you mean by vision? Passing Vision? Or do they need glasses?
                      Vision is an understanding of the game with the ability to see the 2nd or 3rd play before others do and make a pass that others maybe don’t see as an option. As for athleticism, a kid has to be fast enough to keep up, but I would argue that balance and the ability to change direction and move laterally is the most important. And touch on the ball trumps all.

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                        #26
                        Agree touch is important. You can learn touch. But you can’t teach speed.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Guest View Post
                          My experience — two kids (boy and girl) playing in college and my youngest currently on an ECNL team - ultimately it becomes 80% athleticism + 20% desire/determination (from the kid, not the parent).

                          The players on the field at U17 and beyond are the biggest, fastest, and strongest. Skill & intelligence matter, but every coach thinks they can polish a diamond in the rough.

                          Just look at the GK for the USMNT as an example
                          Why the US is **** at football (and only produces GKs at the top flight international level), summarized right here in one handy comment.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Guest View Post
                            What percentage of a player's ceiling can be attributed to:
                            • Talent? (athleticism & intelligence)
                            • Familiarity with teammates?
                            • Coaching?
                            • Other?
                            Reaching a players ceiling in soccer

                            Talent
                            - quickness, ability to master technique, ability to quickly see and predict complex spatial situations with decisiveness
                            Determination (grit)
                            - work effort to get the reps because of some internal relentless drive (enjoyment, need to be the best, fear of failure, parents mandating, etc)
                            Coaching
                            - sets up training and guides to maximize learning technique and problem solving in that complex spatial environment
                            Environment (team, family, neighborhood)
                            - set up to create the love of the game. team mates help each other and push each other. Get together to play. Friend play. Family loves soccer and makes opportunities available
                            - set up to provide exposure for the player to be selected on a pathway to maximize potential achievement

                            All need to be there
                            Talent is 80%, Coaching 15%, Environment 5%

                            Coaching and environment amplify natural talent. If you have both of those you will create enjoyment and love of the game. - SUCCESS for most players 95%
                            ECNL (super leagues MLS etc) is a tryout away. If you have the top three factors above then players can always make a team. Top level talent will be selected.

                            College soccer/professional soccer needs exposure from playing in highest level youth leagues - SUCCESS for best players in the country top 5% or less to get their talent recognized

                            A decent pathway - maximize enjoyment with good coach through sophomore year. Hit high top level teams/leagues Junior/SR to try for college. If pro level talent (Best in area in your age and age above) get on pro pathway 13/14.

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                              #29
                              Talent matters, work ethic matters. Coaching has tremendous potential to encourage/lift a player or drag them down. The same with teammates. A toxic coach helps create toxic players and a negative environment among teammates. The predominance of male coaches in girls/women's soccer creates its own additional set of problems. Parents also play a huge role: are you encouraging but not pressuring? Are you caring for your kid's mental and physical health i.e. getting proper care for injuries, listening to kid's perspective etc

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                                #30
                                I might have missed it, but has anyone said discipline? Most important thing. Big part of technical ability, stamina, speed to some level, confidence, understanding the game and continuing to study and learn. Find the kid that loves the game and trys to out work everybody at everything they do.

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