Getting regular playing time at a good ecnl club tops SA for sure. At the end of the day it’s the kids who play the most minutes who have the greater chance at pro or college.
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Interesting that there are 23 players on u15 roster and 17 on u17. Do some U15s play up? 23 is a big roster.
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Originally posted by Guest View PostGetting regular playing time at a good ecnl club tops SA for sure. At the end of the day it’s the kids who play the most minutes who have the greater chance at pro or college.
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Again, you have no iidea what you are talking about. XF DA was free, Yedlin paid zero.
Regardless, and back to the point, Yedlin was a homegrown player and the Sounders benefited from him playing as a sounder, from selling him to Tottenham, and Tottenham selling him.
and is a mother example of my point- Sounders have done well with their homegrown program.
Yedlin
Morris
and other smaller names (like wingo) prove this point.
MLS rated Obed Varga 15th in their top 22 under 22:
https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/2022-...d-by-bodyarmor
if an mls writer saying sounders isn't independent enough for you:
Fansided recognized Obed Vargas as a top 10 US teen:
https://fansided.com/2022/09/23/mls-...teenagers/amp/
Further, the Gaurdian listed Reed Baker Whiting as a top 60 prospect in the world:
https://www.theguardian.com/football...world-football
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As I mentioned earlier, Sounders Academy isn't for everyone. Nor is it necessarily the "best path". Other paths exist, and may be a better fit for an individual.
But to argue that the homegrown program hasn't been a success for the sounders is completely stupid.
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That might be a good point. Being in an academy but having no playing time would make you hard to be recruit-able. Which is unfortunate, could be a good player but doesn't get the playing time for whatever reason. While a similarly skilled or even less skilled ECNL kid gets tons of playing time and exposure.
Everybody wants to think their kid has a chance to make it but it’s just not true.
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And the point? You've realized that you are wrong and going down a rabbit hole. I wasn't referring to Yedlin and why XF didn't get training comp. I've read the FIFA briefing and know exactly why XF didn't get training compensation.
Regardless, and back to the point, Yedlin was a homegrown player and the Sounders benefited from him playing as a sounder, from selling him to Tottenham, and Tottenham selling him.
and is a mother example of my point- Sounders have done well with their homegrown program.
Yedlin
Morris
and other smaller names (like wingo) prove this point.
MLS rated Obed Varga 15th in their top 22 under 22:
https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/2022-...d-by-bodyarmor
if an mls writer saying sounders isn't independent enough for you:
Fansided recognized Obed Vargas as a top 10 US teen:
https://fansided.com/2022/09/23/mls-...teenagers/amp/
Further, the Gaurdian listed Reed Baker Whiting as a top 60 prospect in the world:
https://www.theguardian.com/football...world-football
Kovar, Okoli, Jones, Mansaray, Schweitzer, Adekoya, Bwana, Muse, Hopeau are all of the Sounder "homegrown" players cut within three years of signing. Let's hope the current group isn't cut as quickly.
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They have been horrible with homegrown contracts. Morris and Yedlin played ONE year in the Academy and at least two years of college each like Wingo.
Kovar, Okoli, Jones, Mansaray, Schweitzer, Adekoya, Bwana, Muse, Hopeau are all of the Sounder "homegrown" players cut within three years of signing. Let's hope the current group isn't cut as quickly.
But a couple corrections:
Bwana was traded October 21, 2020, in exchange for Jimmy Medranda and $225,000 of General Allocation Money. That's a win.
Okoli was traded January 2015, to New England Revolution in order to trade up in the MLS SuperDraft and select Northwestern goal keeper Tyler Miller. Another win.
Regrdless if Morris, Yedlin or Wingo played college, they were Homegrown players and signed homegrown contracts. It demonstrates that there are different ways to make it work within the Sounders Academy.
It is idiotic to think that the Sounders Academy and Homegrown contracts haven't been successful for the Sounders.
Whether it's best for your kid, is debatable. But the Sounders have performed well.
They have not reached the likes of FC Dallas or Real Salt Lake. But they are significantly better than many mls clubs.
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One person keeps bringing logical answers and supports their argument with 3rd party information, while the other brings hyperbole, and easily refuted anecdotal information.
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Originally posted by Guest View PostOne person keeps bringing logical answers and supports their argument with 3rd party information, while the other brings hyperbole, and easily refuted anecdotal information.
And some clubs are legitimately developing players better.
But their is no legitimate argument that they haven't had success.
i think the person arguing against homegrown believes kids should go to college. I agree. Kids should go to college. But the two aren't mutually exclusive.
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Originally posted by Guest View PostOne person keeps bringing logical answers and supports their argument with 3rd party information, while the other brings hyperbole, and easily refuted anecdotal information.
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I don't think it's quite that simple. I have a different view of Homegrown success, I am looking at it from the kids point of view. All of the kids listed as a success are kids with previous college exposure. We will see about how the current 15-16 year old do, I am rooting for them.
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Agree that it’s silly to say the academy hasn’t been successful for Sounders when it has definitely produced first team minutes and transfer fees.
But it’s equally silly to equate what’s good for the Sounders to what’s good for local youth development or for the individual players. Look at poor Obed Vargas - the club put way too much wear on his still-developing teenage body due to CCL and injuries, resulting in a vertebrae fracture that was entirely avoidable and cumulative (and that they were aware of per SaH reporting). They will always prioritize the needs of the club over what’s best for the player, and those things don’t always intersect - particularly for anyone who isn’t projected to be a national team-level talent.
Simply put, more options is always better and MLS being the only viable path to pro in this area is a very bad thing for parents and players in the PNW.
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Originally posted by Guest View PostAgree that it’s silly to say the academy hasn’t been successful for Sounders when it has definitely produced first team minutes and transfer fees.
But it’s equally silly to equate what’s good for the Sounders to what’s good for local youth development or for the individual players. Look at poor Obed Vargas - the club put way too much wear on his still-developing teenage body due to CCL and injuries, resulting in a vertebrae fracture that was entirely avoidable and cumulative (and that they were aware of per SaH reporting). They will always prioritize the needs of the club over what’s best for the player, and those things don’t always intersect - particularly for anyone who isn’t projected to be a national team-level talent.
Simply put, more options is always better and MLS being the only viable path to pro in this area is a very bad thing for parents and players in the PNW.
More simply put, don't have your kid participate if you don't want to. Nobody is requiring it. For some, it's great, for others it's not the right fit.
Im not aware of one club that doesn't prioritize its needs over an individual.
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