Having been a parent of a (female) player whose club team went to the regional tournament of the Natl Championship series and the finals of a RI D1 state championship, the latter was BY FAR more attended, more noisy, more spirited, more intense (and like 8 or 9 of the players on the team played on decent club teams) than the youth championship series games. Most kids aren't moving on to college so the HS experience is the culminating point (maybe club or intramural at college). So I was not being "dismissive" except to note that HS coaches don't have the time and HS soccer isn't geared toward player development.
Right - development should be training and experimenting primarily and then "testing" in competitive games - with the balance being on train than test (although sadly especially at the younger ages coaches focus more on playing and winning). Testing is about trying things, ensuring players get opportunities to play and experiment until perhaps the most important games. HS soccer is well about *winning* and *playing* -- you have 2, maybe 3 games in a 7-10 day span and every game matters. You aren't developing players (except maybe about the intellectual, mental, and leadership aspects) - you take what you are given and don't have some longer term development goal - you have a 10 week goal to be playing in the state finals. Put players in the spots that best use their existing talents and make adjustments based on the game and other factors. You can control - set plays, PK, corner/goal kicks off/def, leveraging throw-in situations, etc.
The worst coaches think they can run it like a club team and/or think they can "whip' the team into shape with lots of running and other useless drills. Some club coaches make good HS coaches because they know the difference; some club coaches are awful HS (or their teams underperform). Some coaches wouldn't be great club coaches but they are decent HS coaches because they get the players and understand the limitations of HS soccer. Sure MA HS (from what I've seen) is better, but that's because the talent is better.
Yes, sandbagging like some coaches do by staying in D3 or D2 until dragged up but some also hang on too long (EWG after they lost a great cohort) -- RIIL doesn't help because of course they are reactive (look at current records instead of looking at JV records, etc..) and it's RI so there is a lot of "who knows who" between the principals/AD on the committee. While *having fun* and *being competitive* are not mutually exclusive - there is a big difference between club and HS and it's important to recognize HS should be about the student-athlete experience of the team sport for the team; club frankly is about the player experience in developing individually for some larger goal.
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Guest repliedOriginally posted by Guest View PostLasalle best coaching IMO.
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Guest repliedLasalle best coaching IMO.
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Guest repliedOriginally posted by Guest View PostAs you say it’s a team sport. Individual players have to step up and be leaders on the field, but how much can they really do?
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Guest repliedAs you say it’s a team sport. Individual players have to step up and be leaders on the field, but how much can they really do?
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Guest repliedOriginally posted by Guest View Post
2016 was a good year for PHS. They beat Lasalle. They had great players etc. They been coming up short last few years. Sad to see them go down the drain and down to D2. Was always good competition.
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Guest repliedGoing out on a limb but Pilgrim HS has a great girls soccer program.
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Guest repliedOriginally posted by Guest View Post
Of course parents are upset. At least the ones that want/expect it to be a competitive program. There are others who just want their kid to play whether they deserve it or not. At the end of the day, Nepotism is high level in Portsmouth and the AD does not care about girls sports.
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Guest repliedOriginally posted by Guest View Post
Agree with everything… but, if PHS is dropping to D1 to hide coaching, isn’t PHS parents upset? That’s a bit embarrassing for that school with that much talent, money etc. They have good town teams and the players on those town teams many players club. They should have a coach who pushes the team to play at a high competitive level and for the love of god, not drop to D2.
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Guest repliedOriginally posted by Guest View PostThanks LSA girl's coach's mom.. LSA has the most advantages of any school between catchment area, history, funding, ability to err..bend.. the rules, etc. The fact they have only won 1 out of the last 3 titles is telling (and losing to a 5th seed team missing its best player)..of course not as bad as Pilgrim losing. LSA should win the title every year except for a freak situation like a national caliber player opting to play for her local HS team..
Look it's *high school soccer* -- sure you can have better coaching but it's a different "thing" than club soccer; HS soccer coaches don't have the time or ability to develop players -- the best ones take what they have and put them in the best formation to win..and use their time to do (1) dead ball / set plays, (2) defending against dead ball /set plays, and (3) PK/shoot out -- and then let the players do their thing. Kids are playing for their friends and school - it's great from that aspect but stop expecting them to play like you would at the club level. It's also (because the refs are both fewer and worse in general) a lot more chippier and thus devolves into a more physical and less "tactical" game -- hence why coaches should focus on the set play off/def and some basic understanding of the players' mental/emotional space given they are in school, etc.
Of course, the worse coaches are either the ones who try to coach like they would a club team or have no clue in general about the mental/emotional aspect of players..
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Guest repliedThanks LSA girl's coach's mom.. LSA has the most advantages of any school between catchment area, history, funding, ability to err..bend.. the rules, etc. The fact they have only won 1 out of the last 3 titles is telling (and losing to a 5th seed team missing its best player)..of course not as bad as Pilgrim losing. LSA should win the title every year except for a freak situation like a national caliber player opting to play for her local HS team..
Look it's *high school soccer* -- sure you can have better coaching but it's a different "thing" than club soccer; HS soccer coaches don't have the time or ability to develop players -- the best ones take what they have and put them in the best formation to win..and use their time to do (1) dead ball / set plays, (2) defending against dead ball /set plays, and (3) PK/shoot out -- and then let the players do their thing. Kids are playing for their friends and school - it's great from that aspect but stop expecting them to play like you would at the club level. It's also (because the refs are both fewer and worse in general) a lot more chippier and thus devolves into a more physical and less "tactical" game -- hence why coaches should focus on the set play off/def and some basic understanding of the players' mental/emotional space given they are in school, etc.
Of course, the worse coaches are either the ones who try to coach like they would a club team or have no clue in general about the mental/emotional aspect of players..
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Guest repliedBest coach is from Lasalle girls.. Non of the other come close on either side! Most are clueless and the other just talk crap all game conning people to think they know something!
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Guest repliedPHS moving to D2, poor coaching will be hidden this year
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Guest repliedOriginally posted by Guest View Post
PYSA runs a very good program. The girls side has plenty of talent. The schools select coaches based on nepotism and the AD at the high school doesn't appear to care about the quality of coaching for all the girls sports. They ask for feedback, the parents say it needs to get better and then nothing changes. Glad my daughter is in college now. It is a sad situation.
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Guest repliedOriginally posted by Guest View PostIs this Portsmouth? There is plenty of talent coming from PYSA and the clubs these players are part of. So what is going on with the coaching?
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