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That should not be you ECNL benchmark. When you beat PDA, PF, MFA, Pipeline, Bethesda, SUSA, FC Stars we can talk. At this point adding you the the ECNL is just adding another bottom dweller with one or two wins in the entire season. ECNL Atlantic North has already 3-4 teams of that caliber and doesn't more of them.
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What are you talking about? Which clubs? Do you realize that these clubs that I mentioned as benchmark that you should use, send almost all their roster players to a Div. 1 schools.
Every player/student can find a niche that suits them. But for the love of God, stop with the D1 benchmark, it is such a huge disparity across programs that saying X or Y is a D1 player is just proliferating ignorance
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Few clubs send even half their roster players to any D1 program. Out of those that do go D1 only about 5% go to a school that ranks both academically and as a soccer program.
Every player/student can find a niche that suits them. But for the love of God, stop with the D1 benchmark, it is such a huge disparity across programs that saying X or Y is a D1 player is just proliferating ignorance
ECNL is stands for Elite Clubs National League and is SOCCER league, not an academic league. And yes D! soccer player is a benchmark.
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Few clubs send even half their roster players to any D1 program. Out of those that do go D1 only about 5% go to a school that ranks both academically and as a soccer program.
Every player/student can find a niche that suits them. But for the love of God, stop with the D1 benchmark, it is such a huge disparity across programs that saying X or Y is a D1 player is just proliferating ignorance
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So, in your opinion, what should we use as the reference point? Keep in mind we are talking here about soccer clubs and league?
Since it's agreed that there is tremendous overlap in the quality of soccer across divisions there needs to be other variables that come into play. Academics being one of the easiest to rely on.
If a school is rated 185 out of 300 soccer wise and has an 80% academic acceptance rate. This is a mediocre program. It is neither challenging from a soccer or academic view point. Now this doesn't mean that this is not a great program for a particular child, it may be. We however cannot rank that above, let's say a Williams, which is rated academically #1 liberal arts college in the country and about 15 or so D3 soccer. The level of soccer and academics would be higher.
Too many think D1 is Duke, UNC, or Stanford. What they forget is that it is also Prairie View, Nichols and Alcorn State.
Where someone chooses to go to a school is a very personal choice, multiple variables come into those decisions. To ignore those variables and make blanket statements about soccer level using just the brush of Div alone is ignorant of the landscape.
If you want a closer pure soccer measure, I would use NCAA tourny bids and finishes. While not perfect it does bring you closer to the best teams in the country. Then you can stack those by Div.
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Everyone conflates the Div with quality and this is just not reality. The top D2 men's teams as far as quality goes are top 25 D1 level, they are full of international players. The top 20 D3 teams are top 100ish in level. This is widely accepted amongst soccer experts who cover college soccer, give or take a few placement spots.
Since it's agreed that there is tremendous overlap in the quality of soccer across divisions there needs to be other variables that come into play. Academics being one of the easiest to rely on.
If a school is rated 185 out of 300 soccer wise and has an 80% academic acceptance rate. This is a mediocre program. It is neither challenging from a soccer or academic view point. Now this doesn't mean that this is not a great program for a particular child, it may be. We however cannot rank that above, let's say a Williams, which is rated academically #1 liberal arts college in the country and about 15 or so D3 soccer. The level of soccer and academics would be higher.
Too many think D1 is Duke, UNC, or Stanford. What they forget is that it is also Prairie View, Nichols and Alcorn State.
Where someone chooses to go to a school is a very personal choice, multiple variables come into those decisions. To ignore those variables and make blanket statements about soccer level using just the brush of Div alone is ignorant of the landscape.
If you want a closer pure soccer measure, I would use NCAA tourny bids and finishes. While not perfect it does bring you closer to the best teams in the country. Then you can stack those by Div.
The whole argument was about a person bragging about some local soccer clubs beating on GA and some perennial ECNL bottom dweller clubs in the NA conference. He or she used it as an argument and reference to their acceptance to the ECNL.
My point was, the reference should be top 3-4 clubs in NA conference, not bottom 3-4 clubs. That is it.
Btw. top 3-4 clubs of the each ECNL conferences feed 75-80% top D1 programs in the country, including the best academic schools. Probably close to 80% of Ivy players are from ECNL clubs being ranked top 3 in their conferences.
There is reason why are at least one, sometimes two PF players picked by Ivy leagues schools each year.
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We are loosing you focus here.
The whole argument was about a person bragging about some local soccer clubs beating on GA and some perennial ECNL bottom dweller clubs in the NA conference. He or she used it as an argument and reference to their acceptance to the ECNL.
My point was, the reference should be top 3-4 clubs in NA conference, not bottom 3-4 clubs. That is it.
Btw. top 3-4 clubs of the each ECNL conferences feed 75-80% top D1 programs in the country, including the best academic schools. Probably close to 80% of Ivy players are from ECNL clubs being ranked top 3 in their conferences.
There is reason why are at least one, sometimes two PF players picked by Ivy leagues schools each year.
Cali and Texas each have USYS conferences that would whoop up on local ECNL/GA clubs. Those 2 states also put 50% of the USWYNT players in the recent u17 release.
The comment about teams putting their entire rosters in D1, paints with too broad a brush. Show me the club that puts 3 players every year into Tourny teams and that is quality. Outside of PF and PDA no club reaches that level in this area consistently.
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If your benchmark are D1 Tournament teams, that is an excellent benchmark as the at large bids go to strongest conferences. The broader brush about the other 75% of D1 being the litmus test for quality, is where the argument fails. Budgets outside of big football schools limits the traveling many schools can do. The choice of ECNL/GA kids has budgets and visibility being a greater determining factor than quality of play.
Cali and Texas each have USYS conferences that would whoop up on local ECNL/GA clubs. Those 2 states also put 50% of the USWYNT players in the recent u17 release.
The comment about teams putting their entire rosters in D1, paints with too broad a brush. Show me the club that puts 3 players every year into Tourny teams and that is quality. Outside of PF and PDA no club reaches that level in this area consistently.
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Cali and Texas each have USYS conferences that would whoop up on local ECNL/GA clubs. Those 2 states also put 50% of the USWYNT players in the recent u17 release.
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The reason why the USWYNT sucks is because they have to many Cali and Texas kids on it.
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This new club is a merger of Radnor. Think the PAD model. It will give a platform for their best players along with Europa and LMSC. Nice to have another high level platform in the market.
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You can spin it anyway you want, the bottom line is benchmark for acceptance of new clubs in the ECNL conference should be competitiveness with the 3-4 top conference teams across multiple ages. Adding any club below that threshold is waste of time and resources.
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