"another discussion entirely"

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"This said, US colleges should not be doing to women's soccer what hey have done with men's, which is fill teams with internationals. Especially if they are accepting any federal grants, tax breaks or subsidies whatsoever. This is really bad for participation rates and undermines the sport in market, but that is another discussion entirely."

Okay, let's have that discussion.

First, have you ever been, or are you now, the Dean of Admissions for a college or university, public or private?

I'm guessing that the answer is "No".

A goal of most institutions of higher education is to provide their students with as well-rounded an educational experience as possible. That means recruiting and matriculating students from a wide variety of backgrounds, both foreign and domestic. If some of those students also happen to be top-level athletes then so be it.

When I worked as a graduate assistant coach it was the international students who were involved in the local club, it was the international students who worked hard in the classroom and, more often than not, it was the international students who made the connections in the community and helped promote the program in the local market. A number of the international students ended up staying in the area, got jobs and became citizens. When you're in a small town or city that's HUGE.

Let's look at a couple of random examples. At Salem University in Salem, WV their women's soccer team is not very good. In fact they went winless for the first three years of the program after it started in 2014. If athletics is supposed to be the "front porch" for colleges and universities there's probably not a lot of Americans student-athletes who want to step on that porch. At some point they decided to bring in some international students and in 2017 they won their first game and then in 2018 they had a record of 13-3-1. They even had a player from Botswana and one from Ecuador, amongst other places. How many people living in Salem, WV have ever met someone from Botswana? How about Ecuador? In all of my years of playing and coaching I can't say that I've met anyone from either country and I don't think I've lead a sheltered life.

I'll use Christian Brothers University as my other example. Ever heard of them? On the women's side they were a middling DII program until they hired a young coach and he convinced the school to invest in international players. Four years later they won a National Championship. This was back in 2002. After that coach left they dropped back to the pack, where they had been before. Having some good years, having some not-so-good years but never reaching the heights that they were at before. Without the influx of international players that program would have continued to muddle alone with a revolving door of coaches at the helm. (At least they've had the same coach for the last 18 seasons, a real rarity.)

I could go on but I won't, at least not now.

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"This said, US colleges should not be doing to women's soccer what hey have done with men's, which is fill teams with internationals. Especially if they are accepting any federal grants, tax breaks or subsidies whatsoever. This is really bad for participation rates and undermines the sport in market, but that is another discussion entirely."

Okay, let's have that discussion.

First, have you ever been, or are you now, the Dean of Admissions for a college or university, public or private?

I'm guessing that the answer is "No".

A goal of most institutions of higher education is to provide their students with as well-rounded an educational experience as possible. That means recruiting and matriculating students from a wide variety of backgrounds, both foreign and domestic. If some of those students also happen to be top-level athletes then so be it.

When I worked as a graduate assistant coach it was the international students who were involved in the local club, it was the international students who worked hard in the classroom and, more often than not, it was the international students who made the connections in the community and helped promote the program in the local market. A number of the international students ended up staying in the area, got jobs and became citizens. When you're in a small town or city that's HUGE.

Let's look at a couple of random examples. At Salem University in Salem, WV their women's soccer team is not very good. In fact they went winless for the first three years of the program after it started in 2014. If athletics is supposed to be the "front porch" for colleges and universities there's probably not a lot of Americans student-athletes who want to step on that porch. At some point they decided to bring in some international students and in 2017 they won their first game and then in 2018 they had a record of 13-3-1. They even had a player from Botswana and one from Ecuador, amongst other places. How many people living in Salem, WV have ever met someone from Botswana? How about Ecuador? In all of my years of playing and coaching I can't say that I've met anyone from either country and I don't think I've lead a sheltered life.

I'll use Christian Brothers University as my other example. Ever heard of them? On the women's side they were a middling DII program until they hired a young coach and he convinced the school to invest in international players. Four years later they won a National Championship. This was back in 2002. After that coach left they dropped back to the pack, where they had been before. Having some good years, having some not-so-good years but never reaching the heights that they were at before. Without the influx of international players that program would have continued to muddle alone with a revolving door of coaches at the helm. (At least they've had the same coach for the last 18 seasons, a real rarity.)

I could go on but I won't, at least not now.

I've never been a dean, but I have been a head coach at an NAIA school. Both of your examples are private schools, and as long as the school isn't using public/American Taxpayer funds for their scholarship opportunities, I could care less. I also could care less if it's a public school that is using private-endowment scholarship money. After that all, bets are off. There are a lot of teams that are not filling their rosters with foreign players.

On the mens side: Syracuse has a mix - but they're private. Indiana U - is public and had foreign national.

I think, over-time we'll see something similar on the women's side, but not to the same degree, as other countries catch up to our WNT.

I do agree with you that the diversity of student body is normally a great addition. I bet Salem, WV is better off with the influence these people bring.

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Whatever taxpayer dollars go to a foreign player's scholarship is literally pennies.out of total state school budget. Foreign students also can't qualify for federal grants or loans. They have to get all scholarships from a school, pay themselves or take out a private loan.

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Whatever taxpayer dollars go to a foreign player's scholarship is literally pennies.out of total state school budget. Foreign students also can't qualify for federal grants or loans. They have to get all scholarships from a school, pay themselves or take out a private loan.

Pennies to the school, and taxpayer, but could mean everything to a kid/family.

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Pennies to the school, and taxpayer, but could mean everything to a kid/family.

Foreign players are on teams for a reason - they are most times better players. Better players help coaches win games and keep their jobs. Be a better player.

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Has been beaten to death on the MA board after a crappy D2 school in the middle of nowhere won the title http://talking-soccer.com/TS4/forum/...ip#post4420376


Also % international athletes by sport

https://scholarshipstats.com/varsityodds

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Has been beaten to death on the MA board

Now that's an understatement!

14 pages of comments, some of them pretty good too!

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"This said, US colleges should not be doing to women's soccer what hey have done with men's, which is fill teams with internationals. Especially if they are accepting any federal grants, tax breaks or subsidies whatsoever. This is really bad for participation rates and undermines the sport in market, but that is another discussion entirely."

Okay, let's have that discussion.

First, have you ever been, or are you now, the Dean of Admissions for a college or university, public or private?

I'm guessing that the answer is "No".

A goal of most institutions of higher education is to provide their students with as well-rounded an educational experience as possible. That means recruiting and matriculating students from a wide variety of backgrounds, both foreign and domestic. If some of those students also happen to be top-level athletes then so be it.

When I worked as a graduate assistant coach it was the international students who were involved in the local club, it was the international students who worked hard in the classroom and, more often than not, it was the international students who made the connections in the community and helped promote the program in the local market. A number of the international students ended up staying in the area, got jobs and became citizens. When you're in a small town or city that's HUGE.

Let's look at a couple of random examples. At Salem University in Salem, WV their women's soccer team is not very good. In fact they went winless for the first three years of the program after it started in 2014. If athletics is supposed to be the "front porch" for colleges and universities there's probably not a lot of Americans student-athletes who want to step on that porch. At some point they decided to bring in some international students and in 2017 they won their first game and then in 2018 they had a record of 13-3-1. They even had a player from Botswana and one from Ecuador, amongst other places. How many people living in Salem, WV have ever met someone from Botswana? How about Ecuador? In all of my years of playing and coaching I can't say that I've met anyone from either country and I don't think I've lead a sheltered life.

I'll use Christian Brothers University as my other example. Ever heard of them? On the women's side they were a middling DII program until they hired a young coach and he convinced the school to invest in international players. Four years later they won a National Championship. This was back in 2002. After that coach left they dropped back to the pack, where they had been before. Having some good years, having some not-so-good years but never reaching the heights that they were at before. Without the influx of international players that program would have continued to muddle alone with a revolving door of coaches at the helm. (At least they've had the same coach for the last 18 seasons, a real rarity.)

I could go on but I won't, at least not now.

wow, TLDR

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wow, TLDR

Thank you for highlighting your ignorance.

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This is hardly a surprise. "Wokeism" is also causing colleges to give increased admissions preferences to students from countries like China. When they return home with the training US taxpayers provided in whole or part (even private schools exist in part due to taxpayer dollars) those students will help a country whose avowed goal is to enslave the world.

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This is hardly a surprise. "Wokeism" is also causing colleges to give increased admissions preferences to students from countries like China. When they return home with the training US taxpayers provided in whole or part (even private schools exist in part due to taxpayer dollars) those students will help a country whose avowed goal is to enslave the world.

You would be well advised to turn off Fox News and to block the Breitbart website on your computer.

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You would be well advised to turn off Fox News and to block the Breitbart website on your computer.

You would be well advised to educate yourself rather than listen to the leftist propaganda on CNN and MSNBC. If you know anything about college admissions, you know that foreigners from certain countries are getting huge preferences. And if you don't know the oath Chinese students take before they come to the US or know what they do with the computer and other science expertise they build here when they get back to China you really are dumber that ****. And if you don't know that the Chinese government has literally said that it wants to subjugate the world, you need to be in a home for people who can't tie their own shoes.

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You would be well advised to educate yourself rather than listen to the leftist propaganda on CNN and MSNBC. If you know anything about college admissions, you know that foreigners from certain countries are getting huge preferences. And if you don't know the oath Chinese students take before they come to the US or know what they do with the computer and other science expertise they build here when they get back to China you really are dumber that ****. And if you don't know that the Chinese government has literally said that it wants to subjugate the world, you need to be in a home for people who can't tie their own shoes.

He like some moron from Venezuela who voted for socialism in the 1990s without any understanding of the world and who now flees to the United States begging for free stuff to save him from the very system he voted for.

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This is hardly a surprise. "Wokeism" is also causing colleges to give increased admissions preferences to students from countries like China. When they return home with the training US taxpayers provided in whole or part (even private schools exist in part due to taxpayer dollars) those students will help a country whose avowed goal is to enslave the world.

Um, no. Colleges admit students from countries like China because they pay full tuition and require no financial aid. They do this to offset all the scholarships and financial aid they give to American students from poor families.

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Um, no. Colleges admit students from countries like China because they pay full tuition and require no financial aid. They do this to offset all the scholarships and financial aid they give to American students from poor families.

They also do it so that they can make a profit.

American higher education is going to be in for a world of hurt in a couple of years due to America's declining birthrate and the smaller graduating cohorts. This is something that the Alex Jones sycophant will never understand.