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    We are just not as smart as you are.

    Your posts make that pretty obvious.

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    Principal Speaks

    http://www.boston.com/sports/schools...s_suspensions/

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    I left out Joe Shortsleeve.
    Daughter plays (played ?) for NEFC

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    FYI - he is a contract employee and his contract ended when the season ended. There is nothing really to discuss until the decision is made for his next contract. The contents of that contract drives all of his obligations and the schools obligations. Coaches are not treated in the same manner as a teacher or administrator. You can't "fire" a contract worker as they are not an EMPLOYEE. Contracts can be terminated by either party with varying obligations depending on what is in the contract. This has been discussed in this thread numerous times. Why is this so hard to understand?

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    What of the coach? No news. Has he been terminated, put on pobation, no further action? Odd that the whole matter has been addressed with the kids, suspensions served and nothing about the coach? It's his team isn't it?
    FYI - he is a contract employee and his contract ended when the season ended. There is nothing really to discuss until the decision is made for his next contract. The contents of that contract drives all of his obligations and the schools obligations. Coaches are not treated in the same manner as a teacher or administrator. You can't "fire" a contract worker as they are not an EMPLOYEE. Contracts can be terminated by either party with varying obligations depending on what is in the contract. This has been discussed in this thread numerous times. Why is this so hard to understand?

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    What of the coach? No news. Has he been terminated, put on pobation, no further action? Odd that the whole matter has been addressed with the kids, suspensions served and nothing about the coach? It's his team isn't it?
    "Coach T's continued tenure should probably be examined on any number of issues. This isn't one of them."

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    I left out Joe Shortsleeve. He should be pants'd during his next exposť.

    What of the coach? No news. Has he been terminated, put on pobation, no further action? Odd that the whole matter has been addressed with the kids, suspensions served and nothing about the coach? It's his team isn't it?

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    I left out Joe Shortsleeve. He should be pants'd during his next exposť.

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    Pizzi's suspension of the girls from the game was fine and that should be the end of it. No further punishment is required. Unfair if the girls were also suspended from school.

    Coach T's continued tenure should probably be examined on any number of issues. This isn't one of them.

    Attorneys are going to be attorneys.

    The judge did the right thing ~ 'get this nonsense out of my court'

    The girls should have paid attention to the handbook - they have been punished and that should be the end of it.

    The police and the DA should only be involved if responding to a complaint involving a crime.

    Most of you (and me, too) should probably get a real life.

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    Yes, and Americans used to keep slaves.

    It's great that society has evolved to the point where there are now rules and laws that protect people, isn't it?
    This is one of the problems with trying to have an intelligent debate on a website.

    The subject I address in my post was regarding aspects of child development. The particulars were in regards to discipline and methods used today vs less than a generation ago.

    To follow up with a response trying to use slavery in Americ'as past as an anology is totally unsound.

    Society has always had rules and laws. You would think we have enough, but the lawyers in charge keep giving us more. We didn't need more rules and laws that existed in the past to raise children properly. During the past 30 years, the " experts" have come along with their advice, and more and more, it appears that the old standards of child raisng still have the best potential for success.

    Those key factors were to instill three important traits in children.
    Respect.
    Responsibility.
    Resourcefullness.

    In this case, the Needham Girls showed a lack of respect for their school, to their team, and to the players that they mistreated.
    The Needham girls lacked responsibility for their actions, and this was in fact enabled by some parents, and continues on this thread to be so.
    THe Needham girls lacked the resourcefullness to deal with their misbehavior, again, their lack of ability was enabled by some parents.

    Bottom line, children make mistakes. When they are confronted with the reality of their mistakes, they should learn from them. The pain and suffering of having to live through the proccess trains and educates the child, so that the chances of a repeat occurence are minimized. This is a natural process, and should not be tampered with.

    Children must experience shame. Any parent that attempts to shield their children from this, will only provide a diservice to the child, and the community at large. The earlier children learn from their mistakes, the better for the child.

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    Since no one has really said anything regarding the coach why are you assuming that he did nothing about this
    ummm, if something were done about this, do you think we'd be discusisng it?

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    Since no one has really said anything regarding the coach why are you assuming that he did nothing about this

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    Kids missed a soccer game for being stupid, so that's too bad, but whatever. They screwed their team mates over, but everyone is still healthy. My read is the coach didn't react properly and it wasn't good judgement.

    My daughter's team last year had senior bullies, who thought they were entitled to abuse because it was their turn. The coach knew about it and didn't stop things. The bullies were used as a lesson this year, but there were a lot of tears that could have been avoided. I'm happy this little business hit the news, if it helps any kids in any town going forward.

    It's important that we let kids know what should and shouldn't be tolerated and how they should react to hazing and bullying. I totally understand the coach not saying anything and totally would understand if he loses his position. I'm betting more than just this coach will be a little more careful going forward.

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    Yep. Less than a generation ago , the kids would have been sent to bed without supper.
    End of story.
    Yes, and Americans used to keep slaves.

    It's great that society has evolved to the point where there are now rules and laws that protect people, isn't it?

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    You don't get it, this has nothing to do with the hazing. It is all about getting rid of coach T. Nobody is really disagreeing at this point on the treatment of the girls. Please reread the post before this. Don't you see that what is keeping this thread alive are comments directed at holding the "adults" responsible. This was started by a specific person in Needham and the people in Needham have a pretty good sense who that person is. That person should let this fade away.
    You don't get it. This was started when people in Needham thought that it was a good idea to put dog collars around kids' necks. That is never a good idea. It is troubling that Needham may have a tradition of bizarre hazing. This speaks to a big problem at the team, coach, program, and administration level.

    It is not a good idea even if some bullies and one business partner of the coach can pathetically try to convince others that they should not complain about it.

    What are you trying to hide by trying to blame some phantom Needham parent for "stirring up trouble"?

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