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    #16
    Originally posted by Guest View Post

    Nice post, but let's be honest, the crowds at soccer games (both boys and girls) are extremely sparse for the most part. My kid went to a school that annually makes noise in the LL states, and the only people going to those games are the parents and relatives for the most part.
    Regular day games yes, although more students will come out if it's a rival. But night games and playoffs get a much stronger showing. Club games get a couple of parents, a few dogs and an angry sibling that was dragged along

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      #17
      Originally posted by Guest View Post
      "pay to play"... Literally every kid playing organized soccer in the state of CT pays something to play. Yes, some a lot more than others. But you people keep writing that like there's another option in the state.
      Lol yes. CT rarely has a player at a pro MLS club playing for free, or poor family stud that gets a scholarship at a pay to play.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Guest View Post
        "pay to play"... Literally every kid playing organized soccer in the state of CT pays something to play. Yes, some a lot more than others. But you people keep writing that like there's another option in the state.
        There is, you miss the point. High School Soccer. High School soccer is organized.
        No travel fees for parents, no long treks across the state and regions. No airline flights. Np motels and pedestrian meals.
        Some High School teams do have extra fees to play, but a pittance compared to the going rate for non scholastic soccer.

        When all High School age children used to play under one organizational umbrella in CT, it would have been easy to compare the pay to play numbers to the current 5000 plus High school boys players , and for that matter 4000 plus girls. What’s the number that play pay to play , the percentage , in comparisons? it might take a bit of work.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Guest View Post

          There is, you miss the point. High School Soccer. High School soccer is organized.
          No travel fees for parents, no long treks across the state and regions. No airline flights. Np motels and pedestrian meals.
          Some High School teams do have extra fees to play, but a pittance compared to the going rate for non scholastic soccer.

          When all High School age children used to play under one organizational umbrella in CT, it would have been easy to compare the pay to play numbers to the current 5000 plus High school boys players , and for that matter 4000 plus girls. What’s the number that play pay to play , the percentage , in comparisons? it might take a bit of work.
          Well maybe the towns and high schools should’ve run better programs and hired better coaches. Don’t lament the past. Clubs exist because town soccer produced low skilled players. Most town only peers can barely trap a ball or know where to be on the field. Clubs exist because the alternative blows.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Guest View Post

            There is, you miss the point. High School Soccer. High School soccer is organized.
            No travel fees for parents, no long treks across the state and regions. No airline flights. Np motels and pedestrian meals.
            Some High School teams do have extra fees to play, but a pittance compared to the going rate for non scholastic soccer.

            When all High School age children used to play under one organizational umbrella in CT, it would have been easy to compare the pay to play numbers to the current 5000 plus High school boys players , and for that matter 4000 plus girls. What’s the number that play pay to play , the percentage , in comparisons? it might take a bit of work.
            Best if not all hs starters on good teams are the product of pay to play clubs. Farmington is a current LL champ, lots of ecnl starters from fsa. Wethersfield and cheshire same thing.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Guest View Post

              Best if not all hs starters on good teams are the product of pay to play clubs. Farmington is a current LL champ, lots of ecnl starters from fsa. Wethersfield and cheshire same thing.
              Trying to imagine how this wouldn’t happen at HS near the top 3 clubs. It’s a long way down to u14 town travel.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Guest View Post

                Well maybe the towns and high schools should’ve run better programs and hired better coaches. Don’t lament the past. Clubs exist because town soccer produced low skilled players. Most town only peers can barely trap a ball or know where to be on the field. Clubs exist because the alternative blows.
                Clubs exist because the emphasis is on the Clubs, not the player. Read the mission statement from US Club Soccer. It is says it in plain English. Clubs first, players second.
                The emphasis is on the Clubs for profit. Don’t be fooled by “ not for profit ” statements involved.

                Clubs originally started forming under USYS , until 2001, and when they couldn’t get what they wanted , they formed US Club Soccer. That led to the wide expansion in Club Soccer, and pay to play.

                Town soccer produced “ low skilled players “ in the past and in many cases and now because of the platform originally based on volunteers. The shift in the system has yes, produced more higher quality players, but it has also filled the Club system with less skilled as you have parents willing to spend .

                Towns responded in many cases by hiring Pro Coaches, but it is unable to compete with the growing US Club system. Just look at the growth of ECNL as an example. It automatically excludes children who may have potential, but whose Clubs just can’t get into that exclusive domain.

                Certain areas of CT are more saturated with Club soccer, others, not so much. I would venture to say the highest number of participating children are in Fairfield County , which also has the highest per capita income.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Guest View Post

                  Best if not all hs starters on good teams are the product of pay to play clubs. Farmington is a current LL champ, lots of ecnl starters from fsa. Wethersfield and cheshire same thing.
                  Teams won High School Championships before the advent of pay to play. So , in essence, what now exists in many cases is competition between more affluent areas that can afford pay to play, and less affluent who can’t. Pay to play soccer has not only had a profound influence on Youth Travel ,nearly killing it off, but has also affected High School Competition.This may result in less interest in the game as a whole. There probably will always be High School soccer available for those who can’t afford Pay to Pay, but it may end up very one sided, more so than now . Maybe 4 or 5 competitive games a season for some , the rest not so much .

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Guest View Post

                    Clubs exist because the emphasis is on the Clubs, not the player. Read the mission statement from US Club Soccer. It is says it in plain English. Clubs first, players second.
                    The emphasis is on the Clubs for profit. Don’t be fooled by “ not for profit ” statements involved.

                    Clubs originally started forming under USYS , until 2001, and when they couldn’t get what they wanted , they formed US Club Soccer. That led to the wide expansion in Club Soccer, and pay to play.

                    Town soccer produced “ low skilled players “ in the past and in many cases and now because of the platform originally based on volunteers. The shift in the system has yes, produced more higher quality players, but it has also filled the Club system with less skilled as you have parents willing to spend .

                    Towns responded in many cases by hiring Pro Coaches, but it is unable to compete with the growing US Club system. Just look at the growth of ECNL as an example. It automatically excludes children who may have potential, but whose Clubs just can’t get into that exclusive domain.

                    Certain areas of CT are more saturated with Club soccer, others, not so much. I would venture to say the highest number of participating children are in Fairfield County , which also has the highest per capita income.
                    Along with areas like Farmington, Glastonbury etc. That plus Fairfield County oddly where HS soccer chpionshp teams are. Youth soccer participation is highly correlated to family affluence. They can write the checks for pricier club soccer, even though their kids really are more travel soccer material. It does strengthen the HS programs though and in fact ma y HS coaches are Club coaches who encourage players to play for their clubs.

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